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Good-bye Mile Square 'Players' Course?
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Tuesday January 8, 2019 1:33 PM
Received an e-mail message from the SCGA regarding an upcoming meeting regarding the future of 80+ acres of golf course to be 're-purposed' and a lease change to the management company (MSGC) for the Mile Square Golf Courses (not including David L Baker).

Interesting read, but in short, it appears that they are in arrears $3.6M on lease payments discovered in an audit a few years ago, from the renegotiated deal struck in 1999 that added the newer Player's course. Also, the lease fees that they are required to pay currently are significantly higher than other OC Parks leases. Guess this helps explain their high current fee structure. The new deal, if adopted would return the Player's course acreage (not clear exactly which holes would go/remain - some old 'Classic' holes were adapted to the new 'Players' course).

http://www.scga.org/pdfs/Mile%20Square%20Golf%20Course%20Lease%20Agreem ent.pdf

Ironically, I was last week trying to remember the old Classic Course layout circa the early 1990's. May get to see some form of it. Would sadly, would be a loss to the OC golf choices, assuming it goes through as outlined.

There will be a meeting for those interested in attending:

MEETING DETAILS:
Wednesday, Jan. 16
6:30 - 8:30 p.m.

Mile Square Regional Park - Freedom Hall (parking fee waived)
16801 Euclid Avenue
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
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Tuesday January 8, 2019 4:22 PM
Boo! After losing El Toro (with the "promise" of 45 holes to replace it that isn't going to happen) we do not need to lose another reasonable OC golf course. And I think these are two of the best affordable courses in the region.

I wouldn't bet on the Player's course being the obvious closure. They'll take whatever land they want for other park facilities, and I'd think for ease of public access that might be the Classic course.
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Tuesday January 8, 2019 9:53 PM
QUOTED  I wouldn't bet on the Player's course being the obvious closure. They'll take whatever land they want for other park facilities, and I'd think for ease of public access that might be the Classic course.


If you look a few pages in to the link I provided, they do show a map that highlights the area that will remain as 18 holes of golf v. the 85 acres to be given back to the county. The area that will remain as a golf course, does indeed fall in line with the original 18 holes, now known as the 'Classic' course. Certainly, they made some changes to the original 18 when they put in the Players course, so it is TBD to see what they do with certain holes to become the new 18 in a few years. It does appear that the process will take about 2 more years, meaning that Players will remain open until the end of 2020, if I read the detailed report/contract correctly.
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Wednesday January 9, 2019 3:19 PM
That's sad. I like Players much more than Classic.
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Tuesday January 22, 2019 3:57 AM
So did anyone go to the meeting on Jan 16th? If what was said?
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leef2020
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Tuesday January 22, 2019 3:37 PM
QUOTED  So did anyone go to the meeting on Jan 16th? If what was said?


I did not, but did just now receive another e-mail from SCGA regarding the matter, full text follows...


Dear Orange County Public Golfer:

Despite inclement weather, turnout at last week’s Mile Square “community workshop” was heavy. Additional chairs had to be brought in to accommodate the large number of angry golfers who showed up to express their displeasure with the County of Orange for having sprung on them a decision to close one of Mile Square’s companion golf courses in favor of a use to be determined, funded by a source of money not yet identified.

Despite having listed “public comment” on the meeting agenda, OC Parks officials adjourned the meeting before the public had an opportunity to express its views. OC Parks officials did indicate that there would be many more such “community workshops” scheduled in coming months where they will actually listen to the taxpayers and fee remitters who pay their salaries. In the meantime there is a very short (8 questions) survey on the OC Parks website where OC golfers may log on to express their views before the scheduling of the next meeting.

Take the quick survey. (survey link can be found in the middle of the page) http://www.ocparks.com/parks/mile/expansion

It won’t take you long to recognize that OC Parks has not bothered to specifically include a “golf” option for those of you who like things just the way they are at Mile Square – 36 holes of quality accessible affordable public golf in a region desperately short of it. All you have to do is hit the “other” option at the bottom of each of the questions and type a few words to that effect.

While OC Parks will continue to try to convince golfers that this is a “fait accompli” or “done deal,” our experience has been that when there are far more unanswered questions than answered questions, no deal is done.

Mile Square is hardly the only public golf course in Orange County that has been the discussion of repurpose or closure. Willowick, Dad Miller and Rancho San Joaquin have been as well. The Costa Mesa municipal golf courses have been the subject of undue criticism by more than one Costa Mesa City Council Member.

The Orange County Board of Supervisors and the Council Members of the above cities need to start hearing from golfers. They’re hearing loud and clear from other recreational communities looking to convert golf’s municipal properties to their use, developers looking to convert daily fee courses into housing tracts, and community activists of various stripes looking to exercise their prejudices against a game they consider out of touch with modernity. If that’s all they hear Mile Square will hardly be the last course to be put on the chopping block; it will be but the first.

Clicking the survey link and responding to less than 10 questions will take 5 minutes of your time maximum. For those with more time and passion to lend to the cause of keeping your public golfing options open in Orange County you can reach the four current members of the Orange County Board of Supervisors as follows:

lisa.bartlett@ocgov.com
andrew.do@ocgov.com
michelle.steel@ocgov.com
doug.chaffe@ocgov.com

For additional information please contact Craig Kessler and/or Kevin Fitzgerald of SCGA Governmental Affairs. They can be reached at ckessler@scga.org and kfitzgerald@scga.org.

[[Edited by leef2020 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 3:40 PM]]
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