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Played yesterday at about 8 and the pace for a Tuesday to me was really slow. It was a tick over 5 hours. The starter got the group 2 ahead of us out late so they were behind most of the day until about hole 14 or so but the group ahead of us didn't get the memo and fell behind a hole behind them so that was frustrating.

Greens are pretty good. Certainly not as firm and fast as the North but still good speed to them. They are definitely softer but they do get firmer as the day goes on. The overnight watering and morning moisture do dry out.

Fairways are very nice. I thought #1 was a little shaggy but there were mowers out there so most of them had been cut that morning. Like the North there seemed to be workers out there filling in divots.

Rough is not the thickest but it is penalizing. I found quite a few balls that not go as I had planned. I even clubbed up a few times. There are some areas where you can get a hybrid or wood but generally good luck. Even though it may not seem thick there is something about this rough that just kills the club as it comes through.

Sand is a tale of 2 different 9s. The sand on the front appears to be ok. Some have been raked and some have not. The back 9 though yikes. Looks like most of them have been washed out during the rain. They did have crews working on these as we were playing so I'm not sure how long that will take.

Overall its was enjoyable even if I didn't play that great. I didn't see a marshal out there so that would be my only gripe. It could have helped the pace of play.
14 Likes.
Played on Presidents and was the 2nd group out so pace wasn't a problem. We were teeing off on 18 when the group ahead of us cleared 18 and the group behind us was teeing off on 18 as we cleared. We were never pressed for pace.

Greens are FIRM. They do not look fast and with the rain that we have had you'd think they would be soft and slower but they are not. There is also a light dusting of sand on them which I do not think affects the roll at all. I cannot stress enough that you need to land the ball on the front of the green. Even high flying shots seem to roll and chips around the green roll more than you think.

Fairways are very good. Divots are filled in mostly. It appears they have people out there filling them now if we can only get the golfers to fill in their fair share. Just one side note I think there is a broken sprinkler on #10 about 100 yds in to the green because that whole area was just soaked and water running down. Hopefully its fixed by now.

Rough is down but with the rain still somewhat wet and can make it difficult to hit the ball cleanly out of it.

I wasn't in a bunker but they seemed to have been addressed. It appears to have been raked but it did seem like the sand was wet a little but no standing water from what I could tell.

Note the course is not fully open yet. The tee times are only from 7 am to 1 pm and the course is closed on Wednesdays. This is being done to allow the course to mature.
11 Likes.
Played in the men's club today and teed off right on time and finished in 4:45. I thought the pins were in tough positions contributing to the slower pace.

Greens are still pretty soft and with all the traffic I thought were a little too wobbly. They still had some good speed to them but it was just tough to putt not knowing if your ball would get knocked off line. I think if they can dry out so they can be fooled and cut consistnely then they would be fantastic to putt on. Never really noticed and dead spots and ball marks seemed to have been fixed too.

Fairways were great. Mowed nice and tight and still soft to hit from. No evidence of any wet spots.

Rough has been cut down but make but make no mistake it could still be trouble. It was really a crap shoot.

Found the sand a few times and it's fine. It's more on the firm side rather than soft but that is the norm here. I say both green side and fairway bunkers were the same consistency.

Saw the marshal and cart girl several times.
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Played in the GK Gurus outing yesterday with David, Vince and Lee. Great seeing David and Vince again and meeting Lee for the first time. I was really looking forward to this as soon as it was posted since I missed out the last go around. Unfortunately I left my golf game back in San Diego.

By far one of the best facilities in the area. The range is enormous with grass tees. There are 2 putting greens and a chipping green. There is also a bunker on the range to work on the fairway bunker shots. One day I plan to fully utilize this. Give yourself extra time to enjoy this if you can.

Reading Sammy's review prior to coming I was expecting the greens to be firm and boy are they. We were standing on the 12th tee box waiting to tee off and we saw the group behind us hit in the par 3 and I swear one hit a ball on the green which proceeded to bounce 10-15 yds. On the par 3 4th hole both Lee and David hit short of the green and both proceed to roll off on the front right down the swell. The pin was in the front portion of the green. While I don't think the speed of the putts were super fast but I did have trouble reading the break here. Which I think I have always had that problem here. Some putts I read breaking right, broke left and vice versa.

Fairways were outstanding and I found quite a few of them and they are really nice to hit from. Rough had some teeth to it but I don't think its penalizing if you were in there. Tee boxes were nice and level except 9 which was on a little down slope but thank goodness for 2 club lengths.

I don't remember being in a bunker but they looked hard packed.

If I lived closer I would play this course a ton. I think its a fair test of golf and I always contend that 18 is one of the toughest finishing holes I have played. I can't wait until we get another GK Guru outing here because this course is definitely worth it.
19 Likes.
Played yesterday and was 3rd off. First group was a 3some and they flew. Group in front of us was a little slower but we still finished in 4:15. Overall course is still wet from the rains from the days before.

Greens are actually still very good and smooth. Surprisingly they were still pretty firm. They were faster than I expected too as evident by 3 putting 3 of the first 4 holes, yikes. Even chips into the green rolled out quite a bit.

I wasn't in any bunker but they were wet but I didn't see any standing water in them.

Fairways were wet. Some more than others. There were quite a few spots with standing water. The worse was probably 100 yds and in on #10, also 14 and 17 come to mind. I actually though it was better to hit off the first cut rather than the fairway in some cases.

Rough is tough. I lost 2 balls and one I swear was probably a foot in the rough off the fairway. I'm guessing they haven't been able to cut them at all. Keep your eye on wayward tee shots.

It's only open 2 more weeks before it is shut down for the farmers. Practice green was open too. It would be nice to place now if it could dry out a bit.
7 Likes.
I had a time somewhere else and with all the rain we got I wanted to play a course that drains well. I'm glad I came here because while it was wet you could not tell it had rained as much as it had the day before. This is by far the best course I have played that drains water exceptionally well. There were no puddles and I only saw standing water in 2 bunkers.

Pace of play was excellent. Put my name in at about 6:45 and was off by 7:15. Finished in 3 1/2 hours. There were were people to start but not much after us. We had 2 3somes behind us.

Greens were good and rolled well. Wet enough that approach shots made a mark but we went off early enough that they were smooth and faster than you would think considering.

Fairways were nice. No complaints. Divots about 50/50 filled and unrepaired. No dead spots that I recall. Nice to hit from.

Rough is usual. There were some spots that where it was thicker was a little tricky because the grass was damp. But really the rough is non existent.

Bunkers on the front 9 had been raked except for the edges of the bunkers. The last 5 holes were also raked again except for the edges. It was just the first 4 holes on the back that had not been raked yet but it looks like they were getting to it. The bunkers that had been raked were actually pretty soft.

Always one of the better values in the area and it looks like the rates may be increasing on 1/1 a little bit. It's great if you can get out early.
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Played in the outing today as well and had a great time. Rams Hill never disappoints. I don't think I have been here during this time but I thought the conditions were much "softer" than before. Not sure if it's the cooler temps or what.

Greens much softer and maybe not as pristine as before but still better than any other course I have played. A few more marks than I would like to see and we repaired where we could. Still I thought some greens rolled out more than I thought on approach shots.

Fairways and rough were fantastic. Divots seems to been filled and I don't recall seeing a lot of unfilled ones. Rough has some bite if you got in there.

Sand was soft. I was in all green side bunkers but fairway bunkers looked the same.

I thought the markers on the tee boxes were pretty wide which allowed of a lot of teeing area. I saw very little evidence of damage on them.

This is a top notch golf course run by a well organized staff. It is always a pleasure to play here and I'm already looking forward to coming back.
18 Likes.
Played both Friday and Saturday. The non course conditions couldn't be more polar opposites. Friday was perfect, mid 70s and Saturday was low 60s overcast windy. Pace of play was the same. We had the same tee time both days and Friday we teed off 10 minutes late and finished in 5 hours and Saturday we teed off 10 minutes early and finished in a little less than 4 1/2 hours.

First things first the rough is getting nasty. With this rain it was going to be thicker and longer. I can't count how many times I've seen players try and get a wood or something out of there and not advance the ball more than 10 yards. There are areas where you can do this but generally right of the fairway is thick so keep an eye out too. You could walk past it and not know too.

Fairways are good. There is more divot damage than I would like to see after the maintenance some are filled but there were more unfilled than I expected. I'd also like to see it mowed a little tighter.

Tee boxes are good generally. Par 3s have a little more damage and I'd like to seem them mowed a little more too. Course seems soft so maybe they can't mow this and the fairways as much as they would like.

Sand, just not a fan of. I'd like to see more sand on the bunkers. Bottomed out too many times. Sand is heavy and seems wet which is fine but I just don't like hitting the hard part.

It was pretty easy to get out. With the north open everyone is trying to get on there. There was a 3some behind us both days. Yesterday the 3some had 2 holes between them and the group behind them. Plus there were a bunch of other gaps I could see but maybe that was yesterday's rain scaring people away.
15 Likes.
Had an advanced tee time today which was an additional $30 on top of the regular green fee. This was the only option this weekend to play was to secure an advance time. Rates are still the same and my understanding is they will go up effective the beginning of the new year (I heard an additional $5 but don't know for certain). Just note the course is only available for tee time from 8-12.

As far as the redesign I really like all the changes that have been made. First the 9s are flipped and old #8 (now #17) is a par 5 and old #9 (now #18) is a par 4 and a long one at that. There are new tee markers and 4 set available to play (black is available with permission only). I hope golfers will really consider the appropriate tee boxes because we played the taupe tees and they were nearly 6800 yards but I thought it played closer to 7000. I would say the course is definitely more difficult but probably only a couple of shots worth. I think people who were played the blue tees who step to these taupe tees are going to be in for a rude awakening. I was physically exhausted and I still had 3 holes left to play.

Greens are FIRM. Approaches roll out quite a bit which is surprising because i thought they be slow from trying to grow the roots. Speed was good too. First thing you'll notice is they aren't unfairly sloped as before but there are some wicked teirs on these greens. It will take some time to figure out where the safe plays truely are.

Fairways are not the normal tight lies you'd expect. I'm not sure if this is just because the course needs to mature but it seemed a little spongy to me. They are just fine to hit from but not what I was expecting. The grass is certainly different and I'm not sure if this is what is contributing to this.

The rough is thick which makes hitting off the fairway that much more of a premium. Also it just gobbled up clubs. I tried to hit a 7 out of there and came up 30-40 yds short. Keep your eye on wayward balls. We did lose one ball in the rough in our group but surprisingly this was the only one.

I didn't find a bunker surprisingly but others in our group did and they seemed just fine. Able to splash the ball from greenside bunker.

Customer service was excellent, the starter in the booth had a long line of people and moved things along to get people to the right spot. The starter down at the first tee is always great to talk to. Saw marshals out there patrolling.

Sorry I didn't get to take as many pictures as I wanted because I was trying to keep focus on my game and figure out what the appropriate play was. Also the day was a little overcast so it wasn't that pretty out there today. I'll email these to Johnny so he can get them uploaded if you want to see them.

All in all its great the course is back and I think is worth the fee especially considering the increase that is coming. The course does need to mature as there numerous staked trees and areas they have put in which you are able to take a free drop but I think most will like the changes that have been made.
14 Likes.
Took a chance and walked on the expecting a wait and was surprised because I got right out. Seemed pretty busy but yet we were a 3some. There was a slow group 2 groups in front of us (about 11/2 holes behind) but we still finished right at 4 hours.

First few greens seemed we and my ball didn't seem to release that much but as they got drier the pace picked up quite a bit. Greens were really nice. This place gets a lot of play so I expect ball marks but there were a lot less than I anticipated. I also only saw a few unrepaired ones to.

Fairways were in decent shape. There are a few dead spots but nothing I considered to be that bad really.

Rough is non existent except for the right side of 12. The grass is always heavier over there.

Tee boxes need a trim and par 3s were a little beaten but I always found a spot.

I wasn't in a bunker but it look like wet and heavy sand.

Overall I enjoyed my experience here. If you can catch it on a decent day like today the rate is well worth it.
9 Likes.
Since I just rated the course earlier this week I didn't do the rating but wanted to provide an update on the conditions. I think rudyclub did a great job summarizing this and my earlier is still valid and a tick better in some regards.

Greens were running much faster and firmer. I think last week I just caught it after a heavy watering. Like Rudy said it was hard to get balls to stop on approaches. Even some simple chips around the greens rolled out more than expected.

I was in a couple bunkers and again like Rudy said they were really nice. Lots of sand and you could really splash the ball out.
13 Likes.
Played here a couple of times over the last few days. Sunday I went off in the morning about 7:45and finished in just under 4 hours. It could have been a tad faster but the group ahead was a hole behind still not bad for a weekend. Also decided to come yesterday afternoon and the place was dead. Played in 3 1/2 hours and that includes sitting on the bench on 2 for about 10 minutes and eating lunch.

Greens are just ok. Quite a few ball marks which caused some putts to go online a bit. A couple of greens had some bare spots but I generally noticed these on the front portion of the green and not where I would expect a pin placement to be.

Fairways are decent, maybe a tad long but still very nice to play from. Course on Sunday was wet and didn't roll as much as I expected. Green out there which is better than I was expecting because I've seen this place pretty brown so that was nice.

Rough is a mixed bag. It can be dormant and other spots can be quite thick. There were a couple of times I actually walked by my ball because I didn't see it.

Only in one trap and that was the fairway one on 13 and I guess it was flooded because they had 2 pumps pumping out water. So that bunker was very wet. Others looked ok but looked a little damp.

The price is always attractive here and the customer service has always been great.
13 Likes.
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