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1 Industry Hills Pkwy • City Of Industry, CA 91744 • (626) 810-4653
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westcoastrider13 - Redondo Beach
Course was in great condition. Staff is very helpful and friendly. They hosted our company tournament and i was the chairman. The tournament director at Industry Hills is very nice and was attentive to our needs. Difficult course from the tips as it is very narrow, however, it's quite manageable if you play from the whites.

Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2008
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krazyman234 - Arcadia
Great course, a great experience, and worth the greens fee. However, it was really challenging with the fast greens and narrow fairways. Anyone want to post tips to help my score out.

Posted: Sunday, July 13, 2008
Member Since: July 12, 2008
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sngernz - Redondo Beach
Update: just heard that they will begin fairway aeration today and it should be completed by July 23rd.

Posted: Monday, July 7, 2008
Member Since: January 24, 2005
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mcrandop - Hermosa Beach
Disregard prior post about IHGC. Course is in perfect condition, congrats to staff.

Posted: Saturday, July 5, 2008
Member Since: November 11, 2002
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bluefortydeuce - Manhattan Beach
Aerated the greens on Monday 6/16 with small holes!!!

Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008
Member Since: March 30, 2006
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CSpan - pasadena
teed off early 6-13-08. The course is in absolutely perfect condition. I'm not sure I've ever seen it better. Every aspect of the course was perfect. The greens have to be among the very best in all of SoCal, including the private clubs. They're receptive, very smooth, quick, and free of ballmarks. Every lie in the fairway is lush and sits up nice. A tip of the cap to the entire staff at Industry Hills. Finally, they've finished the restaurant renovations. There is a great patio where you can have lunch, and the service is top notch. This is just a great facility.

Posted: Friday, June 13, 2008
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buckeyebob - Buena Park
My son and I teed off at 6:50am and we were loading the clubs back in the truck @10:45am. We had a foursome in front and a single behind, never waited and never hurried! Great course and conditions. One of the best courses for the money you can play for a public course. Beautiful and well maintained course, can't wait to play it again. Close to home, so gas expense was not a issue with today's fuel prices!

Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008
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funnyism - Torrance, CA
Played 4/1 and the conditions were wonderful! Cool nice day with slight breeze. My buddy and I parked, was driven to the club house, and the starter sent us out as a 2-some (weekday). After the 4th hole, there was no one in front of us and behind us. Fairways were the best I've seen. Lush and well kept. The greens were consistently fast that day, and beautiful. Tough course, but well worth it. Tight fairways so bring lots of balls. Overall, I would definitely repeat, or try IKE next time.

Posted: Tuesday, April 1, 2008
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ardbroilach - Marina Del Rey, CA
First time playing the Babe and enjoyed it very much. Definitely a course where you benefit from having seen it before. Shame the groups of occasional golfers decided to see every corner of the course on their slow trek round.

Very happy with the condition of all aspects of the course. Greens were in much better shape than those on the Ike when I played it last August. Some tough pin positions as you would expect but shot even par for the last 14 holes after a shaky start.

Overall, the $85 green fee felt like pretty good value. Highly recommended.

Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2008
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alanmode - Cerritos
Played 3/15/08 before noon at tournament group after long time last played here. I heard they renovated the course to be easier than famed not easy course before but still this babe course is one of the toughest course around So Cal.Characteristics of challenging layout still dominate widely. Par 5 not reachable in 2,Par 4 no lengthy but very tight with o.b.stakes(a lot) & hazards intimidates average players,Par 3 lengthy (180-210)with forced carry over water( I remind #17 we had 208yrd against the wind so we calculated about 220yds & carry the water 185yds).

Now conditions of course I'd say "HARDPAN"everywhere.From tee boxes hardly can put the tee(I usually use long tee for driver but here it was not necesary I just used short one) to greens almost every shot bounced cause of firmness getting very hard to stop the ball. In consequence I never saw the ball mark even mine I couln't find out. Many people working on course to good maintenence .
Let me try again.

Posted: Friday, March 21, 2008
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flyngolf - West Chicago.IL
The last time we played the "Babe" was in 2005. The course seemed to be neglected compared to the "Ike" but times have changed. The "Babe" was in better condition the the "Ike". The fairways were perfect, greens rolled smoth and true and the new layout was quite enjoyable. Nice work!

Posted: Saturday, March 15, 2008
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barrettryan - R.B.
Black tee boxes were not set up. Range balls need to be cleaned off course. Carts are horrible. Course is in spectacular shape and it is very challenging, but fair.

Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2008
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CSpan - pasadena
played early this morning. Cold and wet due to the rain, but the course is in pristine shape. I play a pretty healthy rotation of about 8-10 courses from Ventura to Riverside County, and I think this course could have the best greens in SoCal. They're fast, smooth and receptive. It's just so nice to be able to putt greens like they have here.

Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2008
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dconnally - Mission Viejo, CA
Played early in the morning on Monday, 12/31/07, on a sunny warm day with only light breezes. Weather had forecast cold and windy, so I was overdressed but conditions were a pleasant surprise. We were out on time to a course in very good condition. Recent course renovations were not obvious to me as I haven’t played here in several years, but I did note some changes from the old yardage book I had – bunkers new or now gone, some greens a little larger. All aspects of the course were in very good shape. Fairways were good, traps fluffy, rough not very long and easily played from. Greens were very smooth and rolled well - too well in my opinion. Previous posters on this site frequently refer to how much they like ‘fast’ greens, but these greens were silly fast. If you are 5 feet above the pin, you know that you have no hope of stopping the ball before it gets at least 10 feet below the pin. This isn’t fun, and makes for very slow and frustrated play – we were out for >5 hours. Let’s face it, 95% of golfers can’t handle greens with this speed, so how does it benefit the course to spend the money to maintain them? Is it the golfer-manly-masochist factor? The ‘I got beat up at the Babe!’ bragging rights? It’s necessary to keep the greens very firm to maintain this speed, so the greens don’t hold shots unless you can spin the ball like the pros. How many of us spin the ball like that? I don’t - I had several shots that I thought were well-hit bound across the greens into trouble. I don’t have a problem with quick challenging greens, but putting on plate glass down a slope isn’t my idea of a sporting challenge. I can’t recommend the course for any but very good golfers.

Posted: Wednesday, January 2, 2008
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CSpan - Pasadena
A cold, blustery day at the Babe. Cart path only today - if this annoys you, call the Pro Shop ahead of time to find out what the deal is for your tee time. The course is in fine condition. The greens are rolling nice, fast and smooth. The rough is low- medium height. Bunkers are in A+ shape too. If I have any complaints at all, it would have to be that a few of the tee boxes are level. Some have slight fade or hook shapes to them - not severe, but they do exist. On a course with a lot of doglegs, I think this affects alignment. So as you set up for your tee ball, you may want to double-check the slope on the tee box.

Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2007
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t8fish - Altadena
My first time out at Industry Hills on "The Babe" this morning, Tuesday. Net impression is of a well-groomed DeBell on steroids. Set up on the hill with good views of the surrounding area, the holes are tight, strategic and nicely wooded and landscaped, with a lot of up, down and around. Conditions were generally very good with the exception of a couple of greens having some mangey areas. Overall, I thought the greens were interestingly contoured and challenging without being unfair or silly -- medium speed on the day. Straight is more valuable than long and can lead to a good score. If you are having trouble keeping it straight, you will pay a price. Nice lunch shack on the overlook a stones throw from the pro shop. Reasonable prices and good food. Senior rate begins at 50 yrs old here which was a mixed blessing. I'm in no hurry to be considered a senior, but it's nice to have the significant discount.

Posted: Tuesday, September 25, 2007
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bigbigcid - Los Angeles
I played "The Babe" on Sept. 12, 2007. What a wonderful track. The renovations are subtle. The bones are very much the same. Just some polishing up on green complexes, fairways, and the like. Only played front nine. The design of this course is first rate. Hazzards and tee boxes are all in the right places. The course is strategic and care must be used to score well. The greens are usually subtle, but with some huge undulations that can be seen. Good use of elevation changes. Good tracking. The Tee shot from the tips on #1 is the best of any course in Southern California. The better player and longer hitter needs to work the ball both ways off the tee. But still, the course is right in front of you. If you can score here, you can play anywhere. By the way - i shot a 36 on the front. Proud of that little fact.

Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2007
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CSpan - Pasadena
Played this past Sat morning. The course is in very good condition. With the exception of maybe two greens, the greens were smooth, fast and receptive. I've played here several times in the last month, and it's clear the conditions are getting better and better. The staff here does a great job.

Posted: Monday, September 10, 2007
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weber2323 - San Diego, CA
Played as a single finished in a little over 3 1/2 hours. Overall the course wasn't in all that bad of shape considering how hot it has been but for the conditions its probably not worth the $80+ I paid. This is a course where you can't miss the fairway too much otherwise you get some severe uneven lies. Some brown spots thoughtout the course b/c of the heat, I don't remember the greens being to bad. Wasn't in the sand so not sure about that. I wish I had someone with me b/c some of the greens are tiered and it would have been nice to know that prior to hitting my approach shots. I thought the course was challenging but not as hard as the rating (I played the blues) since I was even on the back 9, front 9 is another story.

Posted: Friday, August 31, 2007
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CSpan - Pasadena
teed off around noon today Aug 26. A very fun round - played alone and finished in just under 3 hrs. This is my second round on the Babe, and it sure is a fun course. The course is in good shape. My only complaint is that some of the tee boxes are a little shaggy and the footing a little loose. If you play here, several of the tee boxes are not level, so you might want to check your alignment and footing before you take your address position.

Posted: Sunday, August 26, 2007
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CSpan - Pasadena
Played afternoon of Aug 15. My first round at the Babe, and I was not disappointed. The layout is terrific - fun, challenging, and most parts of the course feel fairly secluded. Hole variety is very good - doglegs, elevation, varied green complexes. The course flows well, with the next tee box close to the green that you just left. The course is in very good condition too. The only disappointment were the greens on 1 and 2 - very pockmarked. After that though, the greens rolled smooth and fast. This course complements the Ike very well. The Ike demands driver all day, while the Babe demands precision with your irons. After having played both courses, I now favor the Babe - the course is more fun and I like the flow of the design.

Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007
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mcrandop - Hermosa Beach
Over the last 15 years this course has gotten more player friendly. The latest makeover has corrected some unfair, overly difficult, round-slowing areas. Give them credit, (and some time for the new greens to mature) and thank the management for caring.

Posted: Sunday, July 29, 2007
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sngernz - Palos Verdes
Finally got out on the 'new' Babe course and, yes, it's nice but not much has changed as far as layout. It's still tight and difficult for sure, and a bit more forgiving. Lots of the shrubs and thick grass adjacent to the fairway rough and on the hillsides has been cleared which helps to find wayward shots, and sometimes they’ll even come back to the fairway if you’re lucky. I heard they brought in a herd of goats to eat the long grass, honest. Changes: most notably, no. 7 (long par 3) has been softened (left side bunker removed and slope of green friendlier) and the treacherous no. 8 green (#1 hdcp hole) has 3 level tiers … hey, you still MUST avoid the downhill putt. On the incredibly narrow no. 9 hole, for giggles, a fairway bunker has been added. Oh yeah, the greens are still a bit soft and slow for IH standards, we had many of our putts stop short. Naturally, that will change when the grass takes root. Back nine changes: they added a couple of bunkers on the second par three (no. 13), and that’s all I really noticed off hand. Only one complaint: green fees are up there with the Ike. Oh, well.

Still one of the best tests of golf in the area, and will be for some time. Still gorgeous. Enjoy!

Posted: Friday, July 27, 2007
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lwee1957 - Torrance
Played 7/12 noon tee time, course just opened yesterday, green is still very slow, should be better in a month or so, overall, the course looks great, suggest to play white tees if not familiar with the course, lots of turns and OB possibilities. Great course and convenient location.

Posted: Saturday, July 14, 2007
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pointgrinder - Placentia
The "BABE" is now open! Opened today!

Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007
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sngernz - Palos Verdes
The Babe's getting ready to shut down for the same renovations, which are near completion, that they've done to Ike. Yes, conditions could be better but whatdaya expect. Anyway, the guy who posted two spots previous must be a 'Pacific Palms' employee (golfers call 'em the Ike and the Babe) but, I must agree, the courses are the best around. I took a peek at the Ike and WOW, I cannot wait to play it. May even join their Men's club just to get on early ... what a beauty. Of course, you now have to pay through the nose ... the day's of $25 afternoon rates are gone. But, you know, it may still be worth it ... you'll have to see for yourself once they open, now sometime in November.

Posted: Monday, October 16, 2006
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youngae - Pasadena
The price is a lil high for the condition of the course. Played a few months back & it was way better. For some reason there a little or no yardage markers any where on the course. A few holes had markers on the cartpath, but other than that, we were eyeballing the distances....not good

Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2006
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kelly30052 - West Covina, CA
I am an extremely hard critic of courses and their customer service and have posted my displeasure a few times. I have golfed a lot of LA County courses and have belonged to Pacific Palms (Industry Hills) for a few years. Week day membership is about $150.00 for the year, with discounts on golf, food etc.

I am constantly looking for a better golf experience. I have a home above Angeles National in Sunland which is rated high and just got back from PGA West in La Quinta, golfing Stadium and Norman. I golf Brookside, De Bell, Azusa, Scholl Canyon, Rancho, Alhambra (Good Deal) a lot in order to meet friends who live in those areas.

Bottom line folks! Pacific Palms and the Babe course blow every other course away. The US Open qualifier was recently held there. The views, facilites, conditions, beauty, challenge, price, food, driving range, etc. provide a better overall golfing experience than everyone else. They even give you two free bottles of water in your cart cooler. Never seen that before.

Major improvements to both courses and facilities are being completed and only getting better. Angeles doesnt have a club house and charges more. I have read the negative comments about this course and I cant believe these guys are for real. With all the courses I have golfed and compared, Pacific Palms beats everyone. I will golf Trump soon, but based on the price it cant beat these two courses.

PGA West was not more impressive than Pacific Palms and it is rated much higher in the region. That's my feedback based on a lot of comparisons that include the total golf experince not just the course.

Take a critics advice. This is a great course at a fair price.

Posted: Saturday, August 12, 2006
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tezupr - Los Angeles
I had played the babe course with 3 more guys on July22. It was very extreamly hot. The course is good but the fee is not good compared to the course. Many courses don't allow carts to get in the fairways so i sweated a lot. Before ninth we wanted to go back home. the green looked very conditions however rolling isn't faster than it looks.

Anyhow I recommand that the course would be better in other season.

Posted: Sunday, July 30, 2006
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flyboy1 - Costa Mesa
I have to say, I was a little disappointed in the conditions of the course this time around. I usually play here about four times a year or so and am always impressed with the course. Don't get me wrong, as far as shot value goes, this course is wonderful; it penalizes poor shots (and sometimes decent ones too) and rewards a person that can curve his/her ball off the tee. The tee boxes were a little hairy, but the greens were nice as usual. The rough was nice and lush and the fairways were good. But to me, tee boxes are really important because this is your best chance at hitting a good shot, so you want that area to be in great shape. Some might think that since the ball's on a tee, who cares what the grass is like. But for those of us who like to hit it off the turf on par-3's, it's a little annoying when the grass is sparse and in poor condition. I still love this course and thoroughly enjoy playing it. I don't miss playing the Ike one bit.

Posted: Saturday, July 8, 2006
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ajhofilena - Long Beach
Played in the pm of 06/24/06. Course is in good shape. Narrow fairways are initimidating and therefore tee shots must be straight. Very challenging course. Just needs a few more visible yardage markers but otherwise a very pleasant experience.

Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006
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popbanana - Rowland Heights
Great layout. Overall course condition is good. Pace was good on 5/20. In order not to lose current customers, the management needs to miantain the course in better condition than it is now. Paying the similar green fees, you can play other better courses within 30 miles.

Posted: Sunday, May 21, 2006
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ringworld - Long Beach CA
Gotta love the Babe. Course is in decent shape with greens rolling fairly smooth. Fairways were lush and I noticed they were getting a bit thicker for rough. Grass is growing nicely and you can see their antics on Ike as they get it ready for later this year or was it next? At any rate weekday play was fairly brisk. Grass is in great shape. Greens rolling nicely but noticeably slower compared to what I have seen this course do in the past. Started at 8:30 and was done by 12:00 so I was a happy camper.

Posted: Friday, April 28, 2006
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lushin714 - huntington beach
poor service great course! worth every penny

Posted: Wednesday, March 15, 2006
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flyboy1 - Huntington Beach
Played this morning @ 7am. The course was in excellent shape, especially the greens, which were fast and undulating. I wondered to myself if the humps in the greens were made more severe when they closed the course a while back. Some of the greens and pin placements were treacherous. I love it when it's super tough. My putting wasn't exactly up to the challenge, but it was fun nevertheless. So, the greens were great (though a little soft in parts), the fairways were lush, but the tee boxes were another matter altogether. Close to half of them were tilted and many were in disrepair. This is odd considering that I played from the tips, which do not get as much play as the whites or the blues. That being said, maybe the groundscrew neglects the black tees because they are not used very often. Who knows the reason. Either way, too many tee boxes were bare and the grass was not mown closely. Other than that, it was a great experience. This is one of my all-time favorite tracks.

Posted: Wednesday, March 8, 2006
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jskim6577 - NORTHRIDGE, CA
I'm play several time this course. But every time I got a challenge because each time I went this place just make me crazy!!!!!!!!
Specially they make green side(putting) each hall asume.
PS:Problem is driving(^^^) around 1hour 10minutes.
Anyway I love this place with eisenhower course too.

Posted: Thursday, January 5, 2006
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ringworld - Long Beach, CA
Played Babe for the first time in around 5 years. Course is in great shape. Although for the money why haven't they added a distance meter. Sure all the sprinklers are marked. But Having a better idea of the layout would have been nice. My hardest problem was the greens though. Extra large, hard greens but fortunately rolling true. I have NEVER seen a green so smooth as that of Babe. It was an experience, only wish my short game was there to assist. Appearently it took a back seat and was inclinded to mock my play. No matter. It is a premium course. Nice features and very challenging. Great shape is the best way to describe this course and if you don't bring your A game, or at least a suitable B-game it will leave you in the dust.

Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2005
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jyamastoker - Chatsworth, CA
Played on December 14th. First time playing here. Course conditions were great. This is a tough course! Some of the fairways were a little muddy in spots. Also some of the holes were a little bit narrow for me. Lost a few balls on this course. Some of the pin placements were tough especially on the eighth hole. This course is very challenging. Pace of play was a little slow on the back nine. Wouldn't mind coming back here again.

Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2005
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roddytaver - Manhattan Beach
Might be time for an update Mr. Greenskeeper. A course survey rating at around 7 for either of these courses is a joke - get in the game and update these courses more often - they are two of the toughest tests of golf in SoCal.

I played with a friend today. Got out first thing and played back nine Eisenhower and back nine Zaharias - just to mix it up a bit. Eisenhower is very dry, greens are dry and very fast - not holding shots very well a la the standard PGA tour set up. But excellent regardless.

The Babe is also running fast, but the greens are holding, and other than a slight bit of sketchy lies for overseeding on the sides of the fairways, it is a 10. And the rough is up and will punish a bit since it is getting wet from the water turned up on the course to help the seeded spots and dry weather. The leaves are changing colors and the views are terrific.

Industry had alot going on today, between a 9 AM shotgun and a very large crew shooting some scenes for the series Las Vegas, but the IH staff could not have been more helpful.

It would certainly be great if you GK dudes rolled out and played these two courses from the tips and then rated these courses more than once every two months. I log on this site to see the latest on the best public courses in SoCal, but to have these two amazing courses not reviewed since September is a complete joke.

Posted: Monday, November 21, 2005
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jjudo - Foothill Ranch
Played 9/18 and course was overall in good condition. Some unrepaired ball marks on the greens, but otherwise it was rolling good. Fairways and tee boxes were also in good condition.

Posted: Thursday, September 22, 2005
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t25452 - Laguna Niguel
No complaints other than the course ate me alive! Very tough! No way the rating is just a 132 from the blues! Very difficult. Sand in bunkers was a little thin but that's just searchin' for an excuse! Get out and play it; they're shutting it down for 6 months in late October. Surveying crews are already on the course. Lots of surveyors stakes, but they didn't affect play.

Posted: Monday, September 19, 2005
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fishermang - CERRITOS
The green fee is definitely worth it here... Everything was up to par the greens, fairway, bunkers and the service here is perfect..Ill definitely will spend my money here again....

Posted: Monday, September 5, 2005
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ups_galaxy - Rowland Heights, CA
This course isn't worth the $$, anymore.
The fairways and roughs are badly maintained. Lots of severe damages. From what I see, many of the shaded areas could not get any sunlight, so they are always wet and muddy. Carts drive through those grasses and make HUGE DAMAGES.
The tee boxes are badly maintained as well.
The greens are fair, but they're getting worse. They used to be very smooth and green.

**Date of round played: 8/21/05
**Time: 11:30pm
**Green fee: $96
**Overall grade: 4/10

Hopefully by the next time I play again, the course will worth what they charge.

Posted: Monday, August 22, 2005
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fishermang - cerritos
well worth it

Posted: Friday, August 19, 2005
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Watashi - Santa Monica
Zaharias was in overall good condition, but at $96 i would hope so.

Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005
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cskim2434 - Diamond Bar
Narrow fairways. A bit shorter than Ike, but much narrower and tougher... If you have an index of more than 15, you better bring a box of golf balls. Because you will loose bunch of them. But the course is in great shape. kudos for the grounds crew.

Posted: Wednesday, June 1, 2005
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jlin513 - Pasadena
Played on Wednesday, May 25th for $25 Silver Anniversary Special...Walked on with another twosome since no one seems to be able to secure a tee time ahead of times...Finished in 5.5 hrs...
Course in fantastic conditions right now...I'd give it an 8 overall...
Played from the White Tees and enjoyed the round very much...
Didn't need to hit Driver on too many holes here, as the course puts a premium on accuracy off the tee over pure distance...Just wish I could have made a few more putts!!! Can't wait to play it again!!! Easier of the two course around the greens and on the greens...

Posted: Monday, May 30, 2005
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mattiedog - culver city
Played Wednesday, 5/5- course in outstanding shape and beautiful. Although not many people want to play this course, we had a terrific round. In better shape than most courses around. All 4 of us enjoyed it very much.

Posted: Sunday, May 8, 2005
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flyboy1 - Huntington Beach
Played this morning at sunrise. The course was in pristine condition. They aerated the greens two weeks ago and they were rolling really nicely. You couldn't even tell they had been recently punched. This course is one of the best values in the L.A. area, especially for the price. A course like this in Orange County would cost two to three times as much. The only minor grip I have is that the tee boxes were a little shaggy. The greens and fairways were perfect. The "Babe" is a great layout; short, tight, and challenging. The most challenging thing about the course is the greens. Even after playing this course dozens of times, some of the breaks in the greens still defy belief. This course also places a premium on accuracy off the tee. The difference between the white tees and the blacks is like playing another course. My dad played from the whites; it was almost like cheating. Teeing off of the blacks force you to work the ball both ways off the tee. Some of the holes are very penalizing to the longer hitters. Some of the doglegs start around 270 or 280, so it requires a good bit of curvature off the tee on some holes. Holes 12 and 16 specifically come to mind. I love this track.

Posted: Tuesday, May 3, 2005
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arias555 - Redlands,Ca.
How's this little gem has grown! Tight, course knowledge a must, greens are tough to read, and fairways are nice. Play it smart to post a decent score, go for broke and reap the consequences!

Posted: Tuesday, May 3, 2005
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jbrowberry - Irvine
Worth the twilight fee; not sure if I would pay more. Certainly one of the hardest courses in LA. Very nice course layouts. We played 2 days before they were aerifying resulting in very hard greens. I'm sure the course is near perfect in Summer. I'll go back for sure.

Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005
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melnick - Rancho Palos Verdes
Good news - Course was in great shape. Fairways are in great condition as were the greens. Greens are very challenging - if you are on the wrong tier, three putts are common, but roll is true.

Bad news - Fairways are very tight. Trees and underbrush are on both sides of most fairways. If you normally shoot over 85, you will spend most of your time digging balls out of your bag. Just too hard, but a nices course.

Ike course looks much more open - will play next time.

Posted: Monday, April 11, 2005
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t25452 - Laguna Niguel
Man, what a course. Most shots off tee from blues are intimidating. Narrow. Lots of trees. Play from correct tees. Greens were immaculate. Fairways were cut short so lots of tight lies. Great challenge.

Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2005
Member Since: March 28, 2003
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socalherd - Torrance
Played the Babe on 25th Special... I have played the Ike on several occassions and his sister is just as tough! It was a little soggy on a few holes (mid-fairway drains on backside), but that is certainly to be expected since we are getting Seattle's weather. Playing from the blues, you would be well advised to take your long irons out on several holes (definitely on #2 & 3, as well as a couple on the back side) off the tees. Greens were running a bit slow, but held lines very well. Picturesque course with the exception of #9 that gives a glimpse of the community at the bottom of the hill. The guys I played with ran through about a dozen golf balls, but they had a good time doing so.

Shot makers course - no doubt!

Posted: Monday, February 28, 2005
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rtbackatya - Costa Mesa
I played this course for the first time with the $25 special they ran on the 25th (something they are doing this year for their 25th anniversary). It is a tough course, but very nice. Tight fairways (nicely maintained also) and a great layout, makes keeping it in the fairway a must. The greens are receptive and moderately fast. I played just after some record setting rains, so the course was playing a little longer and slower than normal. If you want a great test of your game and some nice views give this a try. And this is the easier of the two courses!

Posted: Sunday, February 27, 2005
Member Since: August 20, 2003
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ttiaga - Alta Loma
The Babe, always a track that keep you on your toes. Played the day after rain in a tournament. The greens where 'lumpy', sand was in poor shape, and the fairways where extremely soggy. Would I go back, Maybe.

Posted: Wednesday, February 2, 2005
Member Since: June 26, 2003
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t25452 - Laguna Niguel
Great course. It will eat you alive if you're not careful. Narrow. Tough greens. Sand in traps was very consistent and fluffy. Fairways had some divot damage and some very wet spots. CART PATH ONLY. Which was fine, but slowed down play. Play from the correct tees. Don't be a macho man and play tees you shouldn't. Only complaint: very crappy golf carts. Worse than carnival bumper cars. If I were a resort guest, I'd be embarrassed to be seen in these carts. That aside, it's a wonderful course and an incredible challenge.

Posted: Monday, January 31, 2005
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jslobodny - Brentwood
Played the Babe on MLK Day. Pace of play was great. Course was challenging and very scenic. The only drag is the 90 degree rule. Especially playing there for the first time, it mad it hard to gauge distance. All in all a fun day, but I can think of better places for the price.

Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2005
Member Since: January 26, 2004
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rwandersonrce - Ventura
Made the trip here. Customer service was terrible. The ourse is showing signs of over use. They were cramming us on like cattle. This is a great course, and course management is a must. Greans are fact and if you are above the hole, you may give away a stroke. The management needs to get their act together in terms of coordination and repairs due to the high traffic ... some time less is more. Stagger the people and charge more.

Posted: Saturday, November 27, 2004
Member Since: September 5, 2004
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flyboy1 - Huntington Beach
Played 10/28, course was in good shape. Started at 7am. Was supposed to rain but didn't. It turned out to be a beautiful morning. The greens rolled great, and only slightly less than three weeks after aeration/seeding. The fairways were extremely wet from the downpour the night before, but I didn't get any plugged lies in the fairway, which tells me that the fairways have decent firmness. Bunkers were nice, rough was nice too. The only thing that needs improvement is the Funicular. I've played the course 3 times in the last year, and it has not been operational for any of the three rounds I've played. It is quite a walk from 18 of "Babe" to the clubhouse. Whew!

Posted: Monday, November 1, 2004
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Kahoutek - San Diego
Played in a scramble tournament on 10/22. After the recent overseeding, and the rains, the fairways were extremely lush. In many areas, they actually played like light rough. The greens were very receptive to iron shots. I was actually able to back up a pitch from 55 yards out on 18, making me feel like a pro. Because it was a scramble format, I didn't spend much time in the rough or the sand, but they both appeared to be in good condition, especially the bunkers. Greens were a shade slower than normal because of the rains. Customer service is top-notch there. I especially like the practice range and chipping area. Although shorter than the Ike, probably plays as a harder course because of the narrowness of the fairways and the overhanging trees.

Posted: Wednesday, October 27, 2004
Member Since: December 11, 2003
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kendall - walnut
I wont give up, this place is in great shape,fun,a real test,kinda hard but fun.They are re sodding a lot of the tee boxes,they dont let things go till its ugly,they repair BEFORE it gets ugly. fairways and greens are in super shape. A very nice way to spend the day. Pace of play isnt too fast,my opinion is on this track no one is in a big hurry, I dont think its the usual slow play thing. Success is very tough on the Babe,but when it comes its great.

Posted: Friday, September 3, 2004
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vegas21 - Whittier
Played today 8/31 with an early-bird twilight discount, but will come back at regular prices. Fairways were the best I've seen in Socal this summer , and I've played all over the east county,OC, and inland empire. First course to not have any type of divot damage to its greens, kudos to those who play here,you should be proud of yourselves ( take note, you who play Sierra Lakes on a regular basis). Pace was great, never saw the group in front or behind us and finished in 3:50.

Course was everything I heard about. Narrow fairways, blind shots, uphill, downhill, sidehill etc etc. For my first time here , I scored pretty well and had a great time. The only bad thing was that the tee-boxes were being worked on and had recently been punched. Seeing the beverage cart 6 times made up for that.

Posted: Tuesday, August 31, 2004
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flyboy1 - Huntington Beach
Played the Babe eight days ago, and it was in great shape. The tee boxes (the blacks anyway) were in great shape, as usual. The greens rolled very true and somewhat fast; they were also quite receptive. I have always been impressed with the conditions of this golf course every time I play it. I play it at least three times a year and am never disappointed. You really have to work your ball off the tee here from the tips. I think this course is more challenging from the tee than the Ike. I also think it's a tougher course in general than the Ike. I wish they would play the pro qualifiers on the Babe instead.

Posted: Friday, August 20, 2004
Member Since: December 8, 2003
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kendall - walnut
ya gotta know right off this isnt my favorite place to play, friends wanted to do the Babe, so, I get them on, all conditions were great, greens are almost perfect,fairways are lush, everything is very nice,,one of my guests had his first hole in one on 13,, great day, but, it still isnt one of my favorite tracks. maybe one day I will have a good scoring day and all this will change. Aint the Babes fault, its me.everything and all the staff were very special, very attentive, ..

Posted: Thursday, July 15, 2004
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DLScott3 - RSM
What a classic course! The greens roll true and have very few bad spots. Lush fairways and average rough. Very tight course surrounded by trees. Keep your tee shots in the fairway and you can score well here. The only negatives were the pace of play, no marshalls, and distances are not marked very well. Worth every penny in my opinion.

Posted: Friday, June 11, 2004
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mtaylo1 - glendale
Played Friday 4/9 and the course was in terrific condition but the greens were much, much slower than normal. I suppose since they are being punched soon they have let them grow a bit to long. Overall the track was wonderful, the weather was nice and the play was never slowed (we finished in about 4 1/2 hours). I have always loved both the Babe and the Ike over the years and this day was not a disappointment.

Posted: Monday, April 12, 2004
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weber - coto de caza
I hadn't played Zaharias in several years (Always play the Ike) While I don't particularly like this course, it was in nice shape! The greens, while very good were too slow!!! Question: Does the Finicular(?) ever run during the week?? I have been there numerous times in the past 10 years and NEVER has it been running!

Posted: Monday, March 22, 2004
Member Since: December 4, 2002
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mitch - aliso viejo
the "babe" is in great condition from tee to green.this is the first time i've played this track and it's really tight and narrow. beautiful course but the only drawback is carts on cart path only.there's an e-mail special for $39 through march 9. bring your A game cuz these greens will eat you up if your not below the cup(undulated greens w/more than a few multi-tiered)

Posted: Friday, February 13, 2004
Member Since: January 22, 2003
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tompark12 - Glendora
The babe was in really good condition yesterday. Kind of a drag with the cart path only rule. Talked to the guys in the shop and they said it will be cart path only on both courses until April. I think Zahairas is the more difficult of the two Industry Hills golf courses. Ike may be longer but no way as tight off the tee. Either way you can’t go wrong picking between the two. Bring your straight shots and putting touch or it will be a long day on the babe.

Posted: Tuesday, January 27, 2004
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DarkHorse - Encino
Considering all of the hype, I really wasn't "stunned" by the course.
"Ike" was closed, so that caused there to be a lot more golfers out on the course. That made for a 5+ hour round as we were sandwiched by golfers zigzaging their shots across the fairways. We had at least one group waiting on every tee through the first 11 holes (3 groups waiting on #7).
The course layout and design is a good test as you have various targets in the fairway to aim your tee shot. Varied hole lengths and small greens give the course a very distinctive feel. The greens putted fast and were undulating enough to provide real challenges. Most pin positions were in the corners of the green, which made approaches to the green something to handle with care.
The weekday rate would be acceptable for the weekend as I consider the course to be valued in the $50 range. Upgrades would be in order for the starter/marshall (spread out groups), on the course food service carts (looked like they used box tops to hold items), better protection/screening for tee boxes near greens. I would definitely like to play it again and I would hope for a better experience.

Posted: Friday, October 17, 2003
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tepp32 - Santa Monica
The "Babe" and her brother, "Ike" are two of the best golf courses you will ever play. The Babe is short and even from the Blue tees you will be hitting some irons off the tee. The grees can be fast, but when I played they were reasonable. The course is designed so that you feel like you are playing only with your own group, as no two holes run next to each other. The trees are so lush you might think you were in a nature preserve at times, with appricot trees and all kinds of palms. The rough used to be unplayable, but the redisgn has made the course so much more fun and playable. If you don't like this course then you don't like golf. If the temp is up make sure you bring plenty of water becaue the food cart service can be very sparse.

Posted: Thursday, September 18, 2003
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johnfeng - walnut, ca.
One of the toughest course I have ever played, so bring your A game. Great condition except a few tee box is a little bald.

Posted: Tuesday, September 9, 2003
Member Since: August 1, 2003
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kendall - walnut
Played 8/7, refilled the sand divot fixer about 4 times as lazy folks refuse to repair divots properly,confused with comments below, how would divots get repaired if not for sand with seed thrown in by us, the folks that caused the divot, you think they should resod the place weekly??? once again this is a very good test of golf in a very nice enviorment, a wonderful getaway.worth the $$$ .

Posted: Friday, August 8, 2003
Member Since: April 25, 2003
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skboyer - Tustin
The course was a nice layout. The fairways had a tremenous amount of unrepaired and sand "sprinkled" divots which made them virtually unplayable. The service "sucked". I would expect much, much, much better service for the amount paid.

Posted: Friday, July 25, 2003
Member Since: July 11, 2003
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kendall - Walnut
Great condition, feels like your in the forest, everything is in almost perfect shape, and,if played a few times becomes much easier,, not easy, much easier. one of the best tracks around.

Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2003
Member Since: April 25, 2003
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kendall - Walnut
Played today for the first time in 10 years with the Tuesday group, tough,tough track, if you can keep it in play, not long but in play you will do fine, however, if you are tempted,, and I was, to hit it big and straight and perfect you will pay. Course is in almost perfect shape, greens are perfect, what you see isnt exactly what you get,, gotta know where you are and what its gonna do. The Ike is more fun, but ,, the Babe is a real test. great shape and the staff is very good. best in the San Gab Valley, except for the Ike.....

Posted: Tuesday, July 1, 2003
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Mazza - Mazza
You must put the tee ball in the right spot to play well on this track....The greens are much more tricked up than the IKE

Posted: Tuesday, May 6, 2003
Member Since: November 11, 2002
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waudy19 - Covina
keep it in play and you will do fine

Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2003
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raflatacca - Hacienda Heights
Tough course. Bring plenty of extra balls.

Posted: Monday, January 13, 2003
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Mazza - Mazza
THEE toughest opening tee shot from the blues

Posted: Monday, November 11, 2002
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