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Played 9/9 with Johnny, Matt and Robert for the GK semifinals. Conditions for this time of year with the heat we've had were excellent. Customer service was the usual - meaning it was outstanding! Helpful and encouraging without ever being "pushy", this place should host clinics on how to take care of golfers.

As noted by previous reviewers, almost everything is in great shape and well maintained, with one exception - the bunkers (I was in enough to know!). Thin layer of soft/dry sand but underneath it was damp and VERY firm, making a normal "blast" shot almost impossible. Only two options: 1) "muscle up" and take way more sand than you want just to insure you get out on your first shot, or 2) try and nip it off the sand with a lob wedge taking as little sand as possible. Sand quality itself is good, they just need one deep dig/rake and they'd be fine.

To me, the best way to describe the difference between the Celebrity and Player courses is this: If I was picking a course to play 3 or more days per week for pure enjoyment it's Celebrity hands down. Still a solid challenge, it's more visually pleasing and seems to have a more relaxed vibe. If I want to check the state of my game, I'm hitting up Players.

Big shout out to Johnny for getting this set up, other than the heat it was a great day. Get out here soon though, maintenance is starting on the 27th.

Definitely recommended (at least if it's below 105 degrees or so!)
4th and final vacation review.

Played 7/18 going out as a single at 8:30. Was waived through on the 2nd tee by a 5-some of members, they were actually happy to share “their” course with a non-member.

I played here once about 5 years ago, prior to the restoration/turf reduction work. Unlike many courses, the “turf reduction” actually seemed to accentuate the natural beauty of the setting and the restoration work made some holes more playable (recovered areas on green) but also sharpened the fangs on others (see #10, below).

The conditions were outstanding from start to finish (with only one exception). Nary a brown or thin spot in any fairway. The rough was a consistent 2” give or take throughout, fairly thick and a little moist due to the condensation/fog that is a steady presence in the area. Tees were level with little to no damage (even the par 3’s). The fairways had great coverage and thick enough to always leave a good lie.

The greens rolled smooth at a medium-fast pace (at least to me). I was told after I finished they were actually a little slow compared to normal - if that’s the case, I’m not sure I EVER want to attempt this course if they were running fast!

Bunkers were nicely maintained and has plenty of sand, though it was heavier than it looked. The fringe and collars around the greens were well defined and allowed basically any type of shots (including putts from several feet off the green).

The layout is magnificent - great variety of holes, gorgeous to look at and extremely demanding. Hit it where you’re supposed to and you can probably score close to your average. Start missing spots and it rears it’s angry head with great malice. Personally, I think any round here without a 2-putt should be considered “under par” - 3-putts are a common occurrence.

The greens are the most difficult I’ve seen - especially if you’re above the hole. The ultimate example of this is #16 - 3 very distinct levels (plus a amall plateau back right), be on the wrong level and your facing the very real possibility of putting completely off the green (or 4/5 putting, take your pick!)

#10 is simply evil. A par 4 playing mostly downhill, it features a huge fairway but the approach requires you to be on the right 1/4-1/3. Whatever you do, stay away from the restored “bunker canyon” in the left leading up to the green. Getting out of there (and staying on the green) is a major accomplishment- I was in there visiting the end closest to the green and ended up having to make 6’ putt to keep my score in single digits (that hole ate my lunch, my snack, part of my dinner and drank my after round cocktails!).

Should you become a member, your game would improve dramatically (it wouldn’t have a choice!). It’s the toughest course I’ve ever played with little to no room for error. Next year when you watch the Master’s and someone says “there’s only about a 5 foot square area I can land it in”? BELIEVE THEM!!

It’s expensive (though about $75 or more off if you stay at “The Inn at Pasatiempo (very nice place!). It’s also a “bucket list” course and it’s currently rated the #2 course you can play in California.

If you can afford it, make sure you experience it at least once. Do NOT expect to score well, anything even close to your average would be a bonus.

Highly recommended.
3rd vacation review, one more to follow.

If you haven’t yet heard of Wine Valley, you need to look it up. Ranked #5 “Modern” course is the country earlier this year by Golf Digest. If you already have heard of it, let me assure you - it’s at least as good as advertised.

This is a “links” style course in every sense of the word - wide fairways (but with bunkers in all the “wrong” spots), wispy long grass bordering the fairways, HUGE greens and the fairways play about the same speed as the greens (FAST!). Green side bunkers range from small pot-bunkers to massive, all slightly “rough” around the edges (OK, some are a lot more than “slightly”). Lots of variety, no two holes look or feel the same. It was designed with the consistent prevailing wind in mind - a 365+ yard par four into the wind played longer than a 440+ yard one with the wind. Probably more elevation change than most links courses due to the rolling hill topography of the area, it still feels like a true links style course and definitely plays like one (nearly every green can be played to both in the air and on the ground).

Conditions were excellent, even with the unusually hot weather in the area (high 90’s to low 100’s). There was one tee that showed a fair amount of divot damage and a couple of fairways had some small, minor areas of heat damage, but everything else was great. Bunkers had a somewhat course sand but always good coverage and very consistent. Greens were pretty firm and at times it was almost impossible to tell where the green ended and the fringe began. Everything out to about 10 yards was smooth enough to putt from and they rolled true at a medium-fast pace.

If played as designed, the course offers multiple options on nearly every hole (even par 3’s). Play it close to the ground and it’s not hard to score well (assuming you stay out of the green side bunkers, more on them to follow). Play it in the air like you would most courses and you’d better be spot-on with your distances or things can get ugly in a hurry. Most holes where your drive ends up is WAY more important than how far it went.

Now, about those greenside bunkers - STAY AWAY FROM THEM!! LOL. IF your ball stays in the middle they are great to play from but several are positioned so even a great shot still leaves you 15’ or more from the hole. If your ball runs up close to the edge - well, take a snack with you, it might be awhile before you get out.

The service was excellent, unfortunately I can’t speak to the food service - they had an issue with their sanitizing system and couldn’t serve anything except drinks (but they had a real nice selection of big brand and local brews!). Rates for non-residents are a little high but not out of line for a course like this (local rates are awesome!)

If you are ever in the area, make time to play here, you won’t regret it. HIGHLY recommended.
Second vacation review. Sorry for the delay, very limited internet access while I was gone.

Went out early on a Sunday, played the Canyon/Mountain combo. Was paired up with a couple locals who were helpful with their insight as we worked our way around. This course DEFINITELY requires that local knowledge or both your score and enjoyment will suffer.

Conditions were very good to excellent from tee to green. A handfull if brown spots in fairways and a couple tees were fairly worn but other than that very green with good lies. Rough was not real deep but sticky/thick so it was a challenge to recover from. Greens were firm but not hard, most shots would take 1 or 2 bounces before checking up. They were fairly fast but not as fast downhill as you’d think, had several putts come up short of what I’d figured. All rolled very true.

Bunkers had good sand and coverage, both greenside and fairways. The layout is very challenging and requires proper placement of tee shots to keep approach shots reasonable. LOTS of elevation changes! Customer service was very good and efficient.

Overall a very nice facility with great views. A little higher than most in the area but based on the conditions it’s probably worth the extra. Definitely recommended.
First vacation review. Played 7/26/18, the course doesn’t book singles but called a couple days ahead and was paired up with locals David, Charles & Jake, all very welcoming to an out-of-town stranger. Pro shop service was ok, check-in was quick and easy.

On to the course. It’s near Pendleton but pretty much out in BFE with nothing other than the casino and According to the website, this is one of the better casino courses in the country. While there’s nothing flashy about it and it doesn’t really have a signature hole (#18 is as close as it gets), the layout is solid, conditions are well above average (especially considering the recent high temps) and it’s a solid test.

Tees were level with good coverage and not much divot damage, even On the Par 3’s. Fairways were nice, a few thin spots here and there, and the rough was thick enough to alter club and shot choice. Greens were somewhat firm but would hold well-struck shorter irons, rolled smooth at a medium-fast pace, no crazy breaks but enough to present a challenge on anything longer that about 5’. Sand was consistent and medium/fine texture, nice to play from.

Price was quite good for the quality, $40 including cart for “senior” Tuesday/Thursday.

All-in-all it’s a solid course with good to very good prices. I probably wouldn’t drive a long way again to play it (other courses with similar pricing/conditions within a few miles of the Pasco, WA area). If you were to make it a “stay and play” package or are somewhat close by it’s a good choice.
Played last week, sorry for the late review. The renovations are finished so no more temp holes! Overall course is in very good to excellent shape. Couple spots on the new holes where the sod didn't take that will need work but for now just play it as GUR. Greens were very consistent between old vs new - new holes were slightly less receptive but still good, no real speed differences (pretty amazing, really). Sand on the new holes is thick and perfect to play from - points out the need to do a deep re-rake on all the old holes. Pace of play was good, under 3.5 hours (it was a weekday), rate was the same as prior to the renovation! (won't stay that way after the Casino/Hotel opens).

Get out and enjoy it while you can afford it - HIGHLY recommended at the current rates.
Played 36 holes June 5 w/Nick, Greg and Gus using Nick's coupon. First time here, not much staff interaction but generally pleasant.

Really enjoyed the layout - short/long/tight/wide-open/left/right - it's got pretty much everything. Tees were good, fairways were mostly good for this time of year (some bare spots) with signs of being punched on most holes. Sand was good, firm (not hard) and plenty of it (both in the bunkers and overall on the course) - top layer got a little crusty later in the day due to heat/wind.

Greens were ok at best. Note on here says small-tine punch - those are the biggest "small-tines" I've ever seen! Fairly consistent speed (medium slow) but didn't hold shots very well and putts were an adventure. Couple greens they have marked to reduce the putting surface which appears to be a good decision.

With the current heat it'll take at least 2 weeks for the greens to be decent - otherwise the course is in good shape for the summer season.
Played yesterday in the Guru outing, spectator to the GK Cup match between Andrew1 and JohnnyGK.

Things were still wet from the overnight rain, continued to drizzle for the first few holes. Several bunkers had puddles and there were a few casual water spots in some of the fairways but in general, the course held up VERY well. Bunkers were really heavy due to the water, best just to avoid them (good idea but bad execution on my part). Greens rolled very smooth and true, surprisingly quick for how wet they were, no surprise they held all kinds of shots as damp as they were. Rough varied from not too long to "Woa!", all of it was quite thick – if your ball sat down it was tough to get out.

POP was right about 4:30 which was pretty good everything considered. Give the course a couple days to dry out and a few days of sun and it should be in excellent shape. Recommended.
Played Monday in the Guru outing, planned on light rain but only drizzled a couple times, didn’t affect play at all.

First, conditions: Most were very good to excellent, only exceptions were a couple par 3 tee boxes were a little chewed and some muddy/soggy areas but that would be expected with the weather. Greens looked thin but putted great, fairly firm so you had to allow for bounce/roll-out, especially on chips/pitches. Fairways had excellent coverage, some run on drives; rough was thick enough to lose a LOT of distance compared to staying in the fairway.

I have to mention the “waste areas/bunkers”. These waste areas are in better condition and raked/maintained better than most courses actual bunkers!

Loved the layout, it’s solid 1-18 and will require every club and shot in your bag.

Customer service was top-notch, very friendly and engaging.

Definitely recommended.
Played yesterday before work - seems like a LOT of other people had the same idea!

Despite the recent rumors of it's impending demise, it appears "The General" will be around for quite some time. Supposedly, the property is being sold to the VA for future expansion of the National Cemetery but since there's plenty of space for that outside the course boundaries it will take decades before they run out of room.

The course is in decent winter shape. Fairways are like a quilt of green vs. dormant grass, ok to hit from but firm and drives will run quite a bit. What rough is there is usually thinner that the fairway, but about 25% is high, thick and very penal. Still need to level out a few tee boxes but you can usually find a decent spot. Bunkers are more dirt than sand but enough there to play out of - thin mantle crust over a heavier base but consistent.

Biggest surprise to me were the greens. Faster than usually and MUCH firmer. Normally these are "drop and stop" with anything shorter than an 8-iron - yesterday I hit a crisp GW that bounced about 8' high and rolled out a good 30'.

Overall it's a good layout in decent shape for a good price - can't beat that!

Played here twice the last couple weeks – a little late to the party but better late than never!

Due to casino construction blocking access to 4 holes, the course has been re-routed to create a much shorter but still playable 18 holes. Former #s 2 & 7 have been cut in half to create 2 holes each and they’ve added 2 additional par 3’s. Each of the first “holes” carved out of 2 & 7 are kinda “Mickey Mouse” – both are listed as Par 4’s at just barely over 300 yds to temporary greens. The 2nd half of each plays to the original green and are decent par 3 holes. The two extra holes are fairly good – one is VERY short but still challenging, utilizing the practice green wedged between #1 & #17 (do NOT go long/left into that bunker, you’ll regret it!) - the other is set in the middle of the old range area and plays 150-170 into a long left-to-right slanted green. They’ve also changed the former #3 (now #5) into a par 5 playing from the back tees – it’s a lot easier par 5 than it was a par 4, but it’s still a solid test.

Now, about the conditions – overall this is the best I’ve seen the course since the Nationwide Tour event was out there. Fairways are excellent, bunkers are in good shape (a little heavy but plenty of real sand) and the rough is pretty consistent and thick. Lots of leaves so keep a good eye on your ball if it’s headed offline.

Regular greens are also excellent, rolling a smidge slow by normal Soboba standards but very smooth and hold shots well. Temp greens won’t hold shots much and coverage is a little thin but they rolled quite good (little faster than the regular greens).

Biggest challenge right now are yardages on the temporary holes and remembering to allow for a lot of bounce and roll when hitting into the those greens.

As for the future – I’ve seen the plans for the revised 13-16 and it appears very nice. They’ve preserved the green complexes from the former #14 & 15 to use for the renovation and #15 looks like it will still be a beast of a par 3 (though not as long as during the tour days). Late summer is the target for the restoration but wouldn’t be surprised if it takes longer (especially if they let those holes grown in a bit before they start play). No idea what’s going to happen with rates – currently can get a decent price but that may change when they finish the renovations.

At the current rates it’s a decent choice and value – the untouched holes are in great shape and the temp holes aren’t too bad so it kinda balances out.
Played late morning 12/3, started as a single but finished as a foursome (more on that later).

This course continues to show steady improvement. Generally, tees were good to very good with only a few areas that weren't level or had significant divot damage. Fairways still have some bare spots (especially #9) but it's obvious they're working on the issue. Lies were definitely above average, decent to good coverage/thickness. All the extra "crap" past the rough has disappeared, rough near the fairway is 'hit and miss" - some is pretty thick, other areas not so much.

Bunkers were good, more dirt than sand but consistent with enough depth to allow true explosion-type shots. Greens were smooth and rolled fairly fast, not too many ball-marks -
only complaint would be the lips around the holes are a little shaggy and not cut precisely.

Pace of play was, unfortunately, dreadfully slow. First 6 holes took right about an hour, next 12 took 3.5 hours. Caught and joined a twosome on the 7th tee, added a single on #9, then plodded along on the back nine. When I've been out in the morning it's been quick so I'm attributing it to the weekend and some VERY casual golfers.

Paid $25 late morning on a Sunday, including cart - given the current conditions that's outstanding! Definitely worth the money.
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