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Played a Birthday round here yesterday, teed off at 6:50 paired up with Bob. POP was fairly quick but very casual, waited once on group in front and had someone catch us on #17, finished in 3:30.

For years, this course has been the “red-headed stepchild” of the Temecula area. However, at least for me personally, this is no longer the case. Conditions were good to very good throughout. Fairways had good coverage with a few scattered thin spots (#8), tees were in good shape (except #5, it was terrible but it’s location means it’s probably impossible to keep it in good shape). Rough was medium length and thickness, getting a lot thicker around the greens. Sand was above average, nothing spectacular but consistent.

Greens were somewhat soft, held even longer shots fairly well. Putted very smooth at medium speed. These are the highlight of the course – many holes have different tiers and/or depressions/bowls – be on the correct level or pay the price (four 3-putts on the front 9 before I got the hang of the speed and break!)

The layout itself is a little quirky with quite a bit of up/down on probably 1/2 the holes. A few pretty short par 4's, but don't assume they'll play easy. Some are considerably uphill, other's have water right in front of the green - combine that with some diabolical pin placements on those holes and it's definitely provides a solid challenge.

Compared to the Rancho California course just a couple miles away, I thought this course was a clear step above in conditioning. Better pricing and conditioning = better value - I'll be visiting this course much more often than it's neighbor.

Also, have to comment about the pictures in the entry walkway. Each hole is dedicated to a golf "Legend" and they have a picture of each next to their respective hole. Ranging from Tom Morris to Jack, Arnie, Lee, Gary, Annika . . . it's a nice touch.
12 Likes.
Played last Wednesday as the first off at 6:30 - was paired up by the starter with a twosome but they wanted to play by themselves so I ended up as a single. No need to rush, the Men's Club was starting a "reverse shotgun" on #13 at about 8 (caught them on #14).

Conditions were quite mixed. Greens were all good, rolled well at medium-fast pace but were a little spongy and the bunkers were heavy but good. Rough was hit & miss, some very thick, some barely there. The fairways were the same, some in good shape but most were quite patchy and some had several marginal areas. Tees were good condition and level (except #16, someone buried a medium sized whale under the white section, VERY crowned and not a flat spot to be found!).

This is a very solid layout but I'm used seeing it in better condition. Still a decent value but hopefully they bring things up a little in the near future.
10 Likes.
This is a little late, but life actually takes precedence over golf (sometimes at least!)

Played 6/1 in my GK Cup 10 match. Didn't see the review about punched greens until the night before so we drove down and inspected the 16th green before playing. Punching was noticeable but I thought it was playable - it affected putts more on some holes than others but the overall quality of the greens meant they were still better than many places where they haven't been punched.

Tees were in good shape, a couple small areas that weren't level but easily avoided. Not a lot of divot damage even on the par threes. Fairways were good to very good, a few places where it was a little thin but still good. Rough varied in length, some of it was basically "pitch out and take your medicine" thick, most was playable but would definitely affect distance and spin.

Bunkers actually played a lot better than they looked. Crusty/unkept appearance but all with plenty of sand - heavy and a little damp, but consistent. If they did a good deep raking they would be excellent.

Greens held shots very well. Putts that had to cross numerous punch lines were definitely slower and bumpy, but actually held their line pretty well. If you were lagging up for a 2 putt, as long as you got the speed right it was fine. Shorter putts (slower moving) tended to get bumped off line. According to the guy at the cart return this is a regular thing, every week or two. Seemed a little odd and to me it hints at some deeper issues but I don't play here often enough to know one way or another.

Because of the unknown punching the rating is lower than "usual" for the course. Not sure I'd pay regular weekend rates in this condition but the layout and challenge kinda makes up for it with a decent mid-week rate.

Still recommended but make sure to check with the pro shop re: conditions before paying full price.
12 Likes.
Played with the Guru group 5/18. Agree with everything said except I found the bunker sand to be fairly good and quite playable (however they do need a good raking on most)..

The course is in very good conditions and the greens were excellent - well struck shots stopped quickly and putts rolled very true. Beware the pin placements, there were several that ranged from difficult to "oh my god" tough. You need to play here a few times to figure out some of the breaks and the speed.

Fairways were very good and first cut if rough isn't too penal - however, do NOT go outside that first cut, it's 50/50 at best you'll find your ball and it's about 9-1 you won't like it if you do!

As noted in prior reviews, there is a HUGE difference between the front and back nines. Both are solid tests but completely different feel.

Service was great, very nice and pleasant staff.

Definitely recommended and a good value as well. Hope it's not another 18 months before I get down here again.
15 Likes.
Played from the white tees in the first of two Guru groups Thursday. First time here and it lived up to what I'd heard.

From tee-to-green the course is in what I'd call "Goldilocks" condition - tees, fairways and rough were very nice, not too short, not too long, but "just right". Same for the greens, they accepted a well struck shot but if the trajectory was too flat and/or not enough spin the ball would bounce and roll - not too hard, not too soft, but "just right".

The bunkers were the most consistent and had the greatest volume of sand of any I've played in a very long time. My comment at the time still stands - "The quality of the bunkers far exceeds my ability to play from them".

Really enjoyed the course layout, holes going in several directions so you had to think out each shot and the effect the wind would have - also more subtle elevation changes than I expected. VERY nice mix of short/med/long par 4's and different looks/distance/strategies for the par 3's and par 5's. Its the kind of course you could play several days in a row and still seem fresh.

Large practice area to warm up, includes a good short game area and the practice green speed was similar to that of the greens on course.

First rate service from arrival to departure, staff was welcoming and pleasant, POP was under 4 hours (even with waiting quite a bit on #10-11) - what more could you ask for?
11 Likes.
Played here Saturday as a single, second out but was waived thru on #2 so pretty much had the place to myself.

The improvement tee-to-green is significant since I last played here in January. Make no mistake, they still have a lot of work to do, but it's obvious they've spent a lot of time on the course and it shows (also saw at least 8 different people working the course). Closing the North Course means more $$ available for additional upgrades so conditions should only get better.

Greens are still very firm and have a lot of long-term ball-mark damage (fix the &$!# ball marks people!). Despite this I only had one putt that didn't roll well because of it. Fairways have improved A LOT, same for the greenside rough. Still don't want to be off the fairway, the weeds will swallow a ball whole with no trace.

Given their rates this course is worth checking out, especially as a way to work on your game. Hopefully it can continue to improve and get back to what it once was.
13 Likes.
Played yesterday with Sixpez in a GK Cup match. His review is "spot on", the course is in excellent shape and with their very reasonable rates it's definitely recommended.

The best indicator on this course is the 6th fairway. Due to the layout (large trees blocking a lot of sunlight), that is where you always see the most issues and it was just as good as the rest of the course. The only real complaint would be inconsistency of the bunkers, some are still pretty packed down and very "heavy" - the one in front of #11 green was more mud than sand. Everything else is at least an 8.5 on a 1-10 scale. POP was good (not great) but that was mainly due to a somewhat slow 2-some in front of us and the single that joined us. We still finished in about 4 hours so it was still quite acceptable.

If you're thinking of playing here, do it now, you won't find anything in better shape for the money.
14 Likes.
Played 3/13 in the GK Guru outing. Huge thanks to Johnny for setting it up, great price on a great course.

My first time here and was very impressed with the layout. Nothing terribly tricky, just a very solid challenge from start to finish. Definitely a different feel from most desert courses, if it wasn't for the nearly 100 degree temps you'd never know where you were (i.e. no palm trees on every hole!).

Tees were level and nicely conditioned - even the par 3's didn't have a lot of divot damage. Fairways were just as nice, didn't have a bad lie all day, not too thin but not spongy, just right for making clean contact. The rough was fairly thick and made you choose wisely when playing from it, but not so much as to only leave a punch out or lay-up.

Greens were somewhat firm but not hard, need to play for a little release - depending on the pin placement that could be a good or bad thing. Being on the right tier or correct side is important here - a thirty foot putt from the correct spot can be easier than an eight footer from the wrong spot. Sand was probably the worst thing on the course - crusty on top and quite firm underneath, ended up switching to my lob wedge with less bounce after the first two attempts went sailing across the green.

Local knowledge is a big plus here to make sure you're in the right position, both off the tee and on the green - also to know where your miss should be and how much room for error you have (had one shot land on the fringe and still ended up in the water because I missed in the wrong spot).

POP was ok at about 4.5 hours - we were the 2nd group out and I know the first group waited on several holes. Could have been a little faster but given the course difficulty once it starts to stack up it's gonna stay that way. Water bottles available about every three holes, ice chests on the cart and a good GPS system all contributed to a positive experience.

Definitely want another shot at it - my golf game must have taken a wrong turn somewhere between home and the course! Definitely recommended!
13 Likes.
Played yesterday with my son (age 6), walking together for the first time. Fairly busy today, there were several people already on the course and a larger group starting about an hour after we did.

Conditions were as good as I've seen them in at least 10 years, the rain has helped tremendously. Some of the tees need leveling but if you moved around you could always find a decent place to tee it up. Fairways were good, couple soggy/muddy spots but even those weren't bad. Rough doesn't come into play on most holes but it's long and thick enough to cause problems if you find it. Was in one bunker behind #9 (which is where you do NOT want to be), a little thin and firm but playable.

Greens have always been the issue here, they are all quite firm and a little on the thin side. Due to the trees around some they don't get a lot of sun and don't always grow out well because of it. Putts still rolled well at medium speed but you always get the impression they're just this side of dying off (but they never do, not sure how that works!).

The course layout includes eight very short par 4's and one par 3. However, it plays a lot harder you expect given the yardage. There are only two of the par 4's where trying to drive the green is a realistic option - the rest either dogleg enough to cause major problems if you don't judge the corner perfectly or finish with a significant uphill climb. Also, the greens are REALLY small - #6 and #8 are no more than about 12-13 yards front-to-back and side-to-side. Lots of mature tall trees mean you have to stay in the fairway as well. Can easily be played with nothing more than a 6-iron.

Excellent value - $12 walking, no charge for my son. Nothing special but will definitely test your distance control and short game and is a great place to take a beginner, regardless of age.
12 Likes.
Played last Wednesday with Matt-Matt and David. Conditions were the best I've experienced here. This is not a course you can play quickly but it was even a little slower than "normal".

Greens were good but a little bumpy, rough was thick and lush but if you got past that it was hit-or-miss. Fairways were quite good and had a surprising amount of roll considering how much rain we've had.

Couple observations - maybe it's just me but I'm convinced the green on #4 is faster than the others. I think it's from the wind whipping through the rock opening that leads to #5 and drying it out. Also, the fairway damage David noted seemed to be heaviest on the last few holes - likely because people ran out of divot mix and there's no place to get a refill on-course. Finally, the only real disappointing aspect was the range during warm-up. The roped off area was as bare and trashed/worked over as any I've ever seen - I'd estimate no more than 15% of the area had grass, the rest was dirt/divots. Not important enough to keep me from coming back but out-of-place when compared to everything else.

Staff was great from front desk to snack cart, the Marshall delivering a replacement set of divot mix for everyone speaks to their level of customer service.

Recommended, especially in its current condition.
17 Likes.
Played Wednesday, started as a single (the 3-some didn't show), ended up being joined by Joe and Andy on #6, nice guys and good players. Finished in just under 4 hours, never rushed but couldn't really go faster due to those in front.

Playing conditions were good - not great, but solid. Greens has some very thin cuts, didn't affect putts until they lost speed. Should be much better in a week or so. They were also quite firm so only a couple times did any of us actually create a big ball mark - usually just slight indentations.

Tees were very good, not much damage and all were level with good coverage. Fairways were a little thin but they're never lush and fluffy, lots of roll out (both a good and bad thing). Rough was THICK, especially around the greens - on #8 I watched my ball bounce just off the collar and into the rough, knew exactly where it disappeared - and still took nearly a minute to find it.

Bunkers were quite firm, not really from lack of sand but from rain/weather. Still playable but you may be better off with something with a little less bounce than normal.

I've played this course occasionally since the first week it was open and still love the layout. VERY challenging and the different length holes mean you'll use pretty much every club in the bag.

Recommended - will definitely be back (just not sure when).
15 Likes.
Played Thursday accompanied by my 6-year old son. He didn't play a lot but wanted to get him some "big course" exposure.

Things have changed quite a bit since my last review, all for the better. Most dramatic was #9 fairway, it has completely recovered with nice coverage. Fairways were mostly dormant, lies were a little thin but about what you'd expect. Lots of roll-out so be careful with club/line choices off the tee (especially #7 and #14). Greens were firm but not hard and pretty quick - was VERY easy to run a putt 4-6' past. Rough varied tremendously - some was very thin or almost non-existent, other spots were thick and lush. Bunkers were firm, wet and packed, disguised with a thin layer of soft sand on top - great for fairways, not so much near the green. Tees were ok, nothing more - most were a little thin and a couple had some issues with ruts/not level. POP was good, finished in under 4 hours including some instruction time with my son.

In general, I like the layout (except #14 - supposedly a "risk/reward" hole but there's so much trouble around the green it's not worth the risk so you end up hitting 6-iron off the tee on a par 4). Condition wise it's ok, not great, but showing some signs of improvement. If you can get a good deal it's worth it price but I wouldn't pay full price unless conditions get better.
16 Likes.
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