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Played today in an SCGA qualifier. Course in good condition - greens firm, only hold wedges, roll medium-fast. Good lies in fairways, rough generally 1-2 inches. Good quality sand, though damp. Tees generally OK - some issues with level, and divots on par-3s. Cart girl out roaming, snack bar at the turn. Lots of maintenance going on, and workers sometimes drive into your group while hitting. Range on mats but good quality. Recommended.
10 Likes.
Played here in an SCGA Member Outing with a 10am shotgun on a cloudy, warm day with only light breezes on Monday, 3/20/17. I had played the North Course here several times in fundraiser events >20 years ago, but had never played the South. Many thanks to GK legend weber for giving me his yardage book and letting me do some homework before the round – I really didn’t have any big surprises that I ran into. I was fortunate to be assigned to group 1B, so I got to play the course as designed. Based on my long-ago memory of the North, the South is a little shorter and more narrow, with smaller and fairly simple green complexes (no real significant tiering or crazy greens). The front nine plays south down the Coto canyon but is up on the slope on the east side of the creek, and is generally higher than the back nine, and many holes play downhill. The back plays back to the north along the west side of the creek, and has more holes that play uphill, and is considerably less open than the front, with several holes having narrow aspects off the tee and encroachment by trees, doglegs, and dense vegetation. We played Blue (70.9/130/6,336), and the markers were generally set up right on the blue plates.

This is a very nice, fun course in a beautiful, idyllic setting, with homes nearby but not intrusive, and lots of lush vegetation, hazard stakes, and sand. Perhaps because aeration has just occurred last month, or the prevalence of creeks/arroyos/ESAs throughout the course, the overall look of the course was a little scruffy, like the week before a haircut and beard trim to clean things up. Not the “groomed wall-to-wall” look you get at a Pelican Hill, for instance. Red stakes and/or water must be crossed or plays adjacent on almost every hole.

The small putting green (reserved for the South course patrons) shows the aftermath of punching 4-5 weeks ago (visual punch-hole outlines, and scattered dry-edged debris), but rolled smoothly at medium to medium-fast speeds. On-course greens are similar – they show varying degrees of the aftermath of punching, some more than others. Many greens have the scattered dry-edge debris, likely a combo of punching aftermath and mower activity. Speeds were fairly consistent over the course, although the green speeds increased as the day went on, and were especially terrifying downhill down the canyon. There was also some variation of green firmness through the course – some greens held shots well, and others were firmer. We saw only a couple unrepaired old ball marks per hole.

Fairways were green and pretty lush but did not have a “clean” look, but lies were generally very good. The course uses an entry/exit gate system, which I think contributes to less wear on the fairway margins. There were many unfilled divots – although there was plenty of fill sand containers scattered around the course. Rough was 2-3 inches deep and generally very playable; farther offline the lies could be patchy/clumpy/dense/bare. Sand was damp but generally medium texture and adequate depth, and there’s a lot of it scattered around the course. Tees were level, and very firm - some had been recently punched.

The clubhouse is large, very attractive, and luxurious. Locker rooms are nicely appointed. There was no cart girl today, but there’s a snack bar at #7/#13. Adequate water was available. For this outing we were provided with a nice box lunch, including a sizeable turkey wrap. We played in 4.5 hr (surprising for this format and the course challenges); we never really pushed the group ahead of us and never saw the group behind us.

The cart was ok – comfortable, with a cooler but no water, no ball washer (I don’t think I saw one all day!), and no GPS. A yardage book is available, and many sprinkler heads are marked. The small putting green was not conducive for large shotgun tourneys, as they can’t be accommodated on the putting green – the driving range is larger. The guests were on mats today, but they were in good condition. Unlimited balls. There was a short-game area adjacent to the range that may be marked “Members Only”. The course uses a front/middle/back flag rotation with no imagination – par-5s are holes #3, 6, 12, and 18, so all 4 of them were the same color flag. Par-3 holes are #4, 8, 10, and 16, so 3 of the 4 are the same color flag.

Very nice challenge if you get a chance to play it.
13 Likes.
Played at 915am with my monthly group on a warm sunny day with very little wind until we hit those “into the …” holes #13-14, on Saturday 3/11/17. The first tee looked open for a long time as our tee time approached, but a shotgun of novice golfers had gone off the back nine at 7am, and they cycled out just in front of us, and by hole #4 the lower part of the course looked like the Harlem Globetrotters in carts, weaving back and forth across the fairways and stacked up on every tee. Overall POP was a horrific 5.5 hr. But, hey, the weather was nice!

Course conditions range from nice to horribly hard/bare/bumpy. Greens were the best part of the course, rolling fairly smoothly at medium-fast speeds, although the firmness and receptiveness varied through the course. [They plan to start aerating ½ of each green beginning 3/20.] Fairways were fairly lush to thin and hard – the ball sat pretty tight everywhere. Rough was variable but generally drier and harder. Sand was fluffy everywhere – great around greens but challenging from fairway bunkers. Many tees are sloping, and par-3 tees are very torn up.

Prolink GPS that looks OK but is not interactive, and it was so dim in the bright sunlight that it was basically useless. Starter said it couldn’t be adjusted for brightness. And, OMG, please stop with the on-screen messages (and beeps!) – like 3 or 4 per hole to “keep up”, “repair ballmarks”, “wave up on par-3s”, and “thanks for playing, return carts to the barn”! STOP!! (No, you can’t adjust THAT either!). Carts are basic. Sand bottle rack on #10 was full ..... of empty bottles. We flagged down a wandering marshal to get more sand. Warm-up area is mats hitting into a net. Two fairly large putting greens will put the fear into you before the round, especially downhill.

The course is wedged into a minimal area and there are several places where trees and protective fences severely restrict lines and options of play – probably not trimmed since opening. While distances are not great, many holes are extremely narrow and hazards and OB are very close by. Be careful on the narrow par-5 #17 – left of the cart path is OB within a few feet of the path, and balls headed left of the fairway there get quickly onto very firm bumpy ground, so there’s no real margin for error. The course used a front/middle/back rotation on the front nine, the changed it up on the back to be unpredictable (but you can get pin position on the GPS ..... oh, wait! [See above!]). With par-5s coming at holes #3, #6, and #9, and with the pin on hole #12 being back, all four of these par-5s had pins on the back.
6 Likes.
Back to Arroyo Trabuco for super-twilight, 2:09pm on Friday, 3/10/17. Thanks to GKer sngernz for his invite to join him. We had a relaxed enjoyable round in warm, almost windless conditions, finishing right at dark. We were paired with a member at AT and his guest – the younger guest was constantly either on the phone or in the ESA, while the older member was hard to like. Music playing in his cart was occasionally annoying. And these guys hit out of turn, drove the cart up the side of the hole when others were hitting, and didn’t fill any of their divots.

The course is still in good shape as detailed in recent reviews. Greens were a little softer than recently, holding shots well, but really showed footprints and cleat marks badly as the day progressed. Lots of old and recent ballmarks on all greens, so greens were medium-fast and pretty bumpy. Good lies in fairways, but many unfilled divots. Stew was in a couple bunkers and sand quality seemed OK. Had a skeeter attack on the 18th hole after all the rain and next to that lake as darkness closed in - I haven't slapped that much since the last time I was in East Texas!!

Still recommended.
12 Likes.
Played Tuesday and Thursday, 2/28 and 3/2/17, in the Las Vegas World Amateur (see my forum post).

Greens were very firm, and rolled perfectly at medium-fast speed, with speed increasing somewhat as the sun and wind dried them further – you couldn’t really make a ballmark, and I think I repaired 2 or 3 old ballmarks during any of the rounds. Green speeds were consistent throughout the round, which was great, and getting the speed correct on these greens is the key to managing your round and score. Most of the greens are slightly crowned, and many are elevated above the fairways and surrounds, exposing them more to the wind and challenging players to hold greens and control their putts. We saw a few more ballmarks on Wolf on Day 4 (Thursday) – some of the greens had softer areas (were they watered?). The greens were still firm, although green speeds were fast on day 4.

We had good lies in all the fairways; most of the old divots had been filled, either by players or staff. Rough was generally cut low and very playable, but further offline you are in the desert and lies are very chancy. Sand was deep and soft around the greens; balls could easily create their own depression, making recovery more difficult. Tee boxes were all level, even par-3 tees were in good condition.

We saw the cart girl several times each day and enough water was available on all courses, as well as having snack shacks at the turn.
10 Likes.
Played on Monday, 2/27/17, in the Las Vegas World Amateur (see my forum post).

Greens were very firm, and rolled perfectly at medium-fast speed, with speed increasing somewhat as the sun and wind dried them further – you couldn’t really make a ballmark, and I think I repaired 2 or 3 old ballmarks during any of the rounds. Green speeds were consistent throughout the round, which was great, and getting the speed correct on these greens is the key to managing your round and score. Most of the greens are slightly crowned, and many are elevated above the fairways and surrounds, exposing them more to the wind and challenging players to hold greens and control their putts.

We had good lies in all the fairways; most of the old divots had been filled, either by players or staff. Rough was generally cut low and very playable, but further offline you are in the desert and lies are very chancy. Sand was deep and soft around the greens; balls could easily create their own depression, making recovery more difficult. Tee boxes were all level, but on Sun Mountain tees were small and set up very narrow – however, even par-3 tees were in good condition.

We saw the cart girl several times each day and enough water was available on all courses, as well as having snack shacks at the turn.
10 Likes.
Played Wednesday, 3/1/17, in the Las Vegas World Amateur (see my forum post).

Greens were very firm, and rolled perfectly at medium-fast speed, with speed increasing somewhat as the sun and wind dried them further – you couldn’t really make a ballmark, and I think I repaired 2 or 3 old ballmarks during the round. Green speeds were consistent throughout the round, which was great, and getting the speed correct on these greens is the key to managing your round and score. Most of the greens are slightly crowned, and many are elevated above the fairways and surrounds, exposing them more to the wind and challenging players to hold greens and control their putts.

We had good lies in all the fairways; most of the old divots had been filled, either by players or staff. Rough was generally cut low and very playable, but further offline you are in the desert and lies are very chancy. Sand was deep and soft around the greens; balls could easily create their own depression, making recovery more difficult. Tee boxes were all level, even par-3 tees were in good condition.

We saw the cart girl several times and enough water was available, as well as having a snack shack at the turn.
9 Likes.
I jumped on a great rate in an email blast from OQ, joined at 10AM on Wednesday, 2/22/17 by GKers HmtGolfGuy, lotrgolfer48, and mpisarski01 on a sunny warm day with some occasional blustery breezes. I was glad to find that there were no cart restrictions after the recent rainy weather, and some of the lakes actually had water in them.

Greens were in very good condition, firm but with good coverage, and generally held shots well, rolling at medium-fast speed. We saw scattered old ball marks on all greens, and in many cases there was bumpiness and scattered debris affecting putting. Fairways gave generally good lies, with only scattered bare or mushy areas encountered. There were many old divots unfilled, and the turf around these slashes was brown and seemingly damaged. Rough was 1-2 inches immediately adjacent and very playable – shots further offline could be muddy/bare/bushy/hazard. Tees were OK – par-3 tees were set wide to provide plenty of teeing area. I was in one bunker (greenside #10) with only a very thin layer over hard base, resulting in a wedge rocket. My partners seemed to have no problems with the sand they encountered.

Very nice golf carts with ball washer/club cleaner, as well as a very good interactive GPS that gives a clear look at hole features and also pin locations. Also a cooler with ice, but no water. Plenty of water available on-course. We got a sand refill from a traveling marshal, but there’s no refill rack on the 10th hole or anywhere, so many divots go unfilled. Saw the cart girl several times, and there is a snack bar after #9. The driving range is on grass, but the setup today put us back on an area that was likely used yesterday, so a good hitting surface was hard to find.

My favorite course in SoCal. Always recommended.
18 Likes.
The recent rains have apparently made a big difference! Historically dinged for thin turf and tight lies in the fairways, I’ve never seen AT as lush as I found it yesterday! I played at 2pm on 2/15/17 to get the super-twilight rate of $50 on a warm sunny day with little wind – the first tee was steady busy up until that time, and we had a couple groups after us. I joined an amicable local single Justin, who was familiar with GK (but not a member), and a couple here on business from Maryland. We played rather slowly to begin as many balls were sent to their doom in the (now heavily foliaged) ESAs. The couple allowed me and Justin to sprint forward after #10 and we finished as the last pair to play #18, just as it got too dark to see, finishing in just under 4 hours. Staff was great and we saw the cart girl several times, and a ranger gave us some refills for the sand bottles, which we were having to use liberally.

Greens were firm, had good coverage, and rolled at medium speed. Some greens had some thin or bare areas along some margins. We didn’t see too many ballmarks. As stated above, fairways were lush and the ball sat up nicely. We had some fairway areas roped off to avoid cart traffic over the wet/soft areas, including large areas in the driving area for hole #12 (dang! - really needed that roll-out on that long one!). Rough along edges of playing areas was fairly short and very playable, although frequently clumpy – further out balls were just gone in lush ESA areas. Tee boxes were good. Fairway bunkers were firm, while greenside bunkers had a fairly thin playing layer over a damp base.

The course has new carts, each with a new Visage GPS system that is interactive and very readable. You can even adjust the brightness and tone volume (or mute). And no advertising!!!! However, the system only gives distance to the COG, not the pin location. A zone sheet on the back of the cart gives you the pin zone for that day. And the ‘approach’ view shows the shape of the green, but no green features.

Plenty of water available, and restrooms clean and good condition. Range on grass today but the teeing areas didn’t have much turf available – the range either got a lot of early morning use or hitting areas were a holdover from previous day(s). There’s now an attendant at the range shack, so getting balls is a little easier (and cheaper). Fairly large putting green that accurately reflected the speed of the on-course greens.

Very good conditions at this time.
17 Likes.
Late to the review party – I played the white tees with the GK Gurus at 1140 on Thursday, 2/9/17. Thanks to GKers jerry64, zgolfinman, and 140ver for a fun round. I like the setting and layout of this course, and I wish it was closer to me so I could play it more often. I found the staff very accommodating, the course in good shape, and the day very enjoyable. Overall the course was fairly damp and soft after all the recent rain, although the temperatures in the late morning were quite warm, and I found myself overdressed as locals showed up in shorts!

Greens had good coverage, with some occasional thin areas around the edges – they were medium fast and got slower as temperatures dropped and day went on – generally held shots but some areas of some greens were firmer than others. I didn’t see too many old ballmarks.

Fairways had good coverage but lies were tight. Rough was cut very short and playable, but could be clumpy. Sand traps around the greens had plentiful and fluffy material; however, there were many unraked areas in the traps (see: jerry64!). Tees were just fine.

Friendly starter. Pin sheet for that day on the cart – nice. First few holes started with a ‘gate’ entry/exit system for the carts, which in my opinion helps reduce casual/random wear and tear on course conditions along the margins of cart paths. The starter made a point of telling us about it – but the system was abandoned by the course for whatever reason after the 4th hole, and we never saw the gates again!

Drainage areas between the holes are pretty torn up after all the recent rain/runoff – many of these areas look like they could use some thinning, both for aesthetics and for more effective flood control and drainage conveyance. The driving range grass was fuzzy but fairly level – it’s a nice separated range area that also has a chipping green/sand practice area. However, the sand is not like that next to the greens around the course – the practice bunker is very damp and hard packed with only a thin playing layer.

No cart girl -there’s a grill at turn but it’s far from the travel line from #9 to #10. The course needs more water stations. I didn’t see a bathroom on the front nine.

An unfortunate cap to the round was running into a total loser 20-something single on #18 tee – he was scruffy in cutoffs, hat backward, unshaved and mouthy and rude when we called him out for cutting in front of us (“I came off the 9th green and the 10th tee was crowded, so I drove over to #18”!!!). Left a bad taste in the mouth, but definitely not enough to spoil the great day I had playing with other GK Gurus.

I had to head for home right after the round, so I missed out on staying afterward to get to better know GKers in the second group that I had barely met before - sorry Larry and Lee. Definitely recommended.
16 Likes.
Played the blue tees with the GK Gurus at 1220 on Wednesday, 2/1/17. Thanks to GKers weber2323, leef2020, and stickboy for a fun round. All three of these guys were hitting the ball solidly all day, but they let me play with them anyway, although I was having some bad alignment issues. The weather was great – sunny and warm – it got a little windy over the last 6 holes [they had the blue box on the Chris Berman tee (back, back, back!!) on #17 – all the way back in that tree funnel, dead into that wind - YIKES!!].

Conditions overall were very good. Greens were very firm, cut short and rolled fast. We saw quite a few (small) unrepaired ballmarks, and many greens had quite a bit of small debris on them. When greens are this firm, players need a little help from course in making them a little more lush to be able to control the ball – or, if they are cut this close, they need to be a little softer. For example, in almost all cases, good shots we hit to the par 3s hit and released over the greens.

Fairways had good coverage but were close cut, which resulted in fairly tight lies. Rough was cut short and very playable. Tees were mostly level and okay. We saw some minor divot damage on the par-3 tees – the sand pails there were loamy (powdery!), or so packed/old you couldn’t scrape out any mix, or didn’t have scoops(!). Traps had only a thin playing layer over a very firm base – one that I was in was very wet, the other dry and ‘cemented’.

Saw the cart girl several times and a marshal was riding around. Thanks to Johnny for setting this up, and to my playing partners for their patience. I always enjoy playing the Goose, especially with other GKers.
20 Likes.
Played with my monthly group at (supposedly) 9am on Saturday, 1/7/16. I say supposedly because the course was jacking another tournament of 5somes out ahead of us and our first group started about 20 minutes late – then we had the usual 5.5-hour Saturday round. I read that the place changed ownership/management recently and the shop is undergoing renovation (almost totally cleaned out) and they looked short-staffed (no starter, one person in the shop, one overworked cart guy, no marshal). We were worried about the rain, but it stopped sprinkling about the time we teed off, it was so warm that I was shedding clothing as the front nine progressed, and I actually put some sunscreen on as we made the turn! Very little breeze today as well, which probably contributed to the warm conditions.

The course was wet but playable in all aspects. We played LCP everywhere except hazards so I didn’t rate the round. Fairways and rough had a lot of mud throughout as a result of all the worm castings pushed up after the recent rains, so LCP was welcome. There were no cart restrictions, although some small areas were roped off and we tried to stay out of the deeper swales.

Greens were well-drained, very firm, and held only well-struck shots. I didn’t note very many unrepaired ball marks, which were fairly small. They rolled well at medium-fast speeds. Fairway conditions ranged from lush to clumpy to scattered bare spots to large bare areas; there are many unfilled divots in both fairways and rough. Rough was generally short, but wet/long in swale areas. Most players here apparently play the blue tees – with the wet conditions, all the blue teeing areas were very torn up even at 0930, and par 3s were especially damaged. A large number of the tees were sloping to one side, and in some cases I really had to hunt for a level spot.

The course offers plenty of water fountains, but there is no cart girl – there’s a snack bar at the turn. The range is on mats. The carts are basic – no GPS, no cooler, no club cleaner; most holes have small colored markers at 100, 150, and 200 yards COG. The sand bottles on our cart were empty at the start, but all the par 3s had dry sand containers on them (but players had obviously NOT used them on those torn-up tees!).
11 Likes.
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