I have been playing this course for years. It has had its ups and downs, but right now the course is in the best condition I have ever seen. Even the renovated bunkers are finally starting to play like bunkers, but they still have a ways to go - too many rocks, too much sand, and hole # 6 actually has a pipe running through the pock bunker in front of the green. I found it a couple rounds ago, ouch!

The marshals are good about "trying" to keep the speed up, but I stay clear of Saturday's - it is pretty slow and even tee times after 11 on Sunday can be a 5-6 hour round.

Like the poster below, I will never understand why they mess with the greens so much. I played on 2/19 and they were slow. 2 days later on the 21st, I was blowing them by the hole 4-6 feet! Just as soon as they get them in pristine condition, they punch them. And I heard that they don't roll them often enough and that they don't use the ring around the hole creating a "crown" letting many putts "fall off".

Still, it is a very fun, challenging course and the back 9 is so different from the front.

With the Creek Card, it is the best value in Orange County for a "higher end" course. Strawberry at $150 is ridiculous and the last time I played not in great condition. I love Arroyo, but not in the winter time with the dormant fairways, and they raised their rates!