The regulars I played with and two employees were talking about how good of shape this course is in...what course were they talking about?! The course was fun and challenging, but if you like well-conditioned courses, your money is best spent elsewhere.

Played Oak Quarry for the 2nd time on 8/4. Came out as a single and used my Birdie Savings card for a $41 round! Got to be the best deal on the card. I love this course! The customer service is absolutely top notch. You feel like a country club member out there. The course itself is in beautiful condition and with the mild summer we're having, it was in the upper 80's. The only complaint I have is the sand traps. Unfortunately they are in piss-poor condition, and both the employees I asked about the conditions forewarned me about them. Wish the grounds crew could get these under control...they'd have a top-notch course then.

So much for a change for the better with the new owners...

Will be back...loved the course!

Played Sunday, Aug 27. Course is in same shape as always...tee boxes spotty, fairways so-so, greens less than so-so. I don't know what happened, but we played in 4 1/2 hours on a Sunday morning! If AGC would just dump some of those profits back into this place, it would be a gem. But, then again, the fees would go up and it wouldn't be the little getaway that it is.

Bball--how do you qualify Costa Mesa as the best value in SoCal? Perhaps it is one of the cheapest regulation courses in SoCal, but that doesn't make it the best value. For the money, San Juan Hills is much nicer. For the skill factor, Meadowlark smokes Costa Misery. The only thing Costa Fortune has going for it is the greens. As for me being in the rough, I'd rather play from the rough there, as the fairways are brown and thin. The nice, thick rough allows me to shoot low-80s...not a bad day for a hacker. Thanks for the personal attack, though. That's cool of you.

Must absolutely disagree with Mbsisson...the management is fantastic. Some of the staff may be less-than-perfect, but the management is willing to listen to the public and very quick to respond to problems. I have dealt with the head pro, the director of golf, and the management company...all were very professional.

Played 4/24...course is in pretty good shape. The greens haven't recovered from being punched yet, so give it a few weeks and they'll be great. Too bad a round at 11:00 AM still took over 5 hours!
And for LongBall...get a clue! This course is FAR from the best in SoCal, or even the best value. And it is the course management's fault for the slow play...7 minutes is not enough spacing.

Had to update everyone on this situation...
I emailed the management company and the director of golf my displeasure after my last round and included a copy of my last post. I received a response from Kevin Martin with SunCoast Golf, Inc. the next day. He assured me the situation was dealt with, informed me that groups are moved in the event of extremely slow play by the director of golf or the head pro, and apologized for my experience. Kudos to SunCoast and San Juan Hills! I will definately be giving San Juan Hills another opportunity. I wish more management companies were this responsive.

To continue my previous post...after being so pleased with this course, I decided to go back on Sunday. I secured a tee time of 1:52 for a foursome, but only three of us made it. We were teamed up with a fourth, who turned out to be a marshall at the course. If they EVER try to team you up with a marshall named Terry, DO NOT play with him. This "gentleman" threw clubs and rakes, screamed obscenities at every bad shot he had (and there were quite a few), and felt compelled to try to drop every cliche known to a golfer within the first three holes. When I confronted him about his "etiquette", he laughed it off and suggested it was a "do as I say, not as I do" approach at this course. Amongst all of this nonsense, the course was moving rather slow, so discussions turned to how to manage slow players. Terry proceeds to tell us that there is nothing he can do other than encourage the slow players to speed up. He said there was a tourney earlier that morning while he was working that had an extremely slow group playing in it. He asked the group many times to speed up play, but they refused. When asked why he didn't pick them up and move them, his response was something to the effect of "I don't have any authority to do that". WHAT?! I've seen it done on other courses. Are you telling me that San Juan Hills will not move a slow group? Our round took us 5 hours and 20 minutes...totally unacceptable. These comments, the rude marshall, and the fact that we didn't see a working marshall the entire round will weigh heavily on my decision of where to play next weekend.

Played this course several years ago and was utterly disappointed. It was a total goat ranch. After seeing a lot of positive feedback about it on this site, I decided to give it another go two weekends ago. Hats off to everyone who turned this place around. The course is in very good shape. The traps and the tee boxes could use some attention, but all-in-all it was pretty nice.

For those who read these feedbacks regularly, I'm not going to bother going on again about what a great deal this place is. I wanted to share a funny story. I was driving through the parking lot when we arrived and passed 2 "marshalls" sitting in the parking lot, both of them in seperate carts. One asked the other "what that group wanted" (asking about a group on the course). He replied, in a rather bothered voice, "Oh, they were complaining again about the slow play of the group in front of them". Then they both chuckled. Hey, American Golf! Get the d%mn marshalls out of the parking lot and onto the course to help speed up play on your course! People always bad-mouth American Golf facilities for their slow play and over-crowding. If the guys they paid to help regulate that actually earned their money, they wouldn't be having these problems. And if you are playing in a group on Saturday afternoon and haven't seen the group ahead of you for 2 holes, PICK UP THE d%mn PACE, or don't be surprised when I launch a tee shot into the middle of your group!