I was really hesitant to go play this course because I had heard so many bad things about it. People kept telling me it's not worth the money. I went yesterday and got really bummed out that the player's club thing is sold out for the year. I was going to join so that I could play Pelican and Oak Creek, but apparently this year they had some insane boom in memberships and capped it out. Anyway enough about that the course is really very nice. The conditions are really great some of the best fairways and tee boxes I have seen in So Cal. Greens are in good shape, I have seen better, but overall ran pretty true I'd say 9.5 on the stimp approx. Layout is fair, I actually really liked the layout, very long par 3's at 225y but not over water so not too bad. Good course I would play again