A really enjoyable test - generous fairways, interesting shot requirements and very unusual green complexes. An easy course to walk and many players do. If you've ever wondered about Todd Hamilton and the long hybrid chip, this is the place to try it out. The greens are surrounded by very closely mown areas where you can chip, pitch and run, putt or bump a hybrid, and it'll make a huge difference to your score how you handle these areas. It took me three rounds to get used to the effect of the canyon - everything runs down-canyon, and the further you are down from the clubhouse the more pronounced this effect is. It's very easy to blow a down-canyon putt a mile past the hole, then leave it short coming back. Don't even get me started about sidehill putts. Many opportunities to blast your driver, especially on the back. 3 is reachable but I'm not sure it's wise, go as far left as you dare on 14. Friendly local players will give you good reads - believe them, not your lying eyes..

OK, I'm a newcomer to southwestern design but I kind of don't get it. USGA rules govern all play, except the dryest desert in the world plays as lateral water? Why not build the tee boxes up so you can see the fairway, and then just play golf? Risk reward is sort of minimized if no matter where you blast it you can drop in good shape for a one-stroke penalty. Fairway to green it's lovely layout - few greenside bunkers but lots of contour. Greens were slow today but when fast they must be brutal. Rough varied from scruffy to US Open. Range closed on Thursdays until mid-morning for maintenance, which is annoying. Fairly fun experience which could easily have been much better.

Really a wonderful layout in fantastic shape. Lots of shot variety but relatively little of the risk/reward nature - the course tells you what to hit and if you do par is easy. Greens are large and heavily contoured. Select tees as far back as you dare - if you're in the fairway you'll get plenty of roll. Pace of play on Tuesday was VERY slow but the place is so pleasant I hardly minded. Weird $5/hour charge for the chipping area and the range is off mats, otherwise little to criticize. Easy to walk except very hilly and it must be half a mile from 9 to 10, so I'd advise riding. Senior rates for 50 and older - I paid $75 and thought it a great value.

A thrill to play here. The layout is demanding even with moderate rough. The setting is just spectacular. My only complaint was on the greens, which were bumpy and most had a "donut" right at the hole which I attribute to careless pin-cutting. No excuse for this on a course of this quality and it made "die-at-the-hole" putts a poor proposition.

Played 5/25/09 and enjoyed it very much. It's a very quirky course and if you're going to have any fun at all you're just going to have to let it tell you what to do. If you just pull driver and try to overpower it you're either going to shoot very low or leave early in disgust. Front 9 has huge elevation changes with narrow landing areas, back 9 is more conventional. Several very short holes, including two postage-stamp one-shotters, mean you might want to play further back than you usually do - the blacks are 7K but play like 6700 since the longest holes play way downhill. Greens a trifle slow but if they were faster the wind would be a problem. Beautiful setting and Golfnow has some good rates (I played for $50). Near impossible to walk, unfortunately.

Tee off EARLY and enjoy a really nice, interesting layout with plenty of length and variety. Tee off late and bring a book... Conditions are better than average for a muni, although the greens are inconsistent depending on how much they sit in the sun. Little rough, but the course is pretty long so it's still tough. An excellent value if you can avoid the incredibly slow play. Easy to walk and considering the urban setting, very pleasing as it sits right next to a mountain. If you die of old age waiting to tee off, Forest Lawn is right next door..

Lots of challenges off the tee, since that shot needs some shape on most of the holes. Less interesting on the second shot, and the greens are too slow to take full advantage of their ample contouring. Fairways are in worse shape than the Wilson course right next door, which seems odd. Pace of play is OK if you start before 7AM, but brutal after about 9AM teetimes. Play from as far back as possible to minimize the wait before the group in front clears the fairway - with the fairways so thin they're also fast, and the course plays shorter than you'd expect. Tighter and more cramped than Wilson, but just as tough imo. Easy to walk.

Played 5/13/09. First time on this course and I enjoyed it. Greens were medium slow but true, overall condition was better than average for a course which gets so much play. Slow play (4.5 hr) of course, but that seems typical for this area. The many teeboxes make it possible for players of varying skill to enjoy the place - a real plus. Several memorable holes include two-semi-drivable par 4s and one VERY long one - this in spite of how very flat the layout is. The par 3s aren't of great interest. Easy to walk. Well worth the short drive from LA