Played Oak Valley twice on 11/4 and 11/5 after playing PGA SOCAL courses. While I can't say it is of the same calibur of the courses across the highway, it's still a great course. The short par 4's are made up by the difficult par 3's and some lengthy par 5's. The layout is great and causes the player to think through the course. The wind can be your great friends or worst enemy depending on the hole and which way its blowing. The only gripe I have is that the second day we played Oak Valley they had a tournament group that showed up with more people than they registered. The staff permitted the extra players to join which caused an hour delay due to all the carts being out on the course. As the carts came back in the staff did their best to get them back out. The only problem is that having already been through a full round, there wasn't enough juice left in them. We saw at least 3 abandoned carts. I'm sure this probably isn't a problem that occurs all the time at OVGC, but it sucks that it happened when we went out there. At least we got one full round in on Saturday. Will be back to play again.

Played PGA SOCAL Champions and Legends for first time 11/5 and 11/6. I can't say enough great things about these courses. I've been to Sherwood Country Club and I never thought I would see another course so greatly manicured (especially not a public course). Boy was I wrong! Both Champions and Legends were immaculate. Not only was the grass lush and green (greener than green), but everything was cut just right. Fairways were cut low, rough was about 3.5 inches, bunkers were in great shape and the greens were perfect. Oh not to forget...An $80 weekend green fee is dirt cheap for courses of such calibur. I live more than 80 miles away, but I'm definitely considering playing either of these courses at least once a month. Hats off to two great public courses.

Played PGA SOCAL Champions and Legends for first time 11/5 and 11/6. I can't say enough great things about these courses. I've been to Sherwood Country Club and I never thought I would see another course so greatly manicured (especially not a public course). Boy was I wrong! Both Champions and Legends were immaculate. Not only was the grass lush and green (greener than green), but everything was cut just right. Fairways were cut low, rough was about 3.5 inches, bunkers were in great shape and the greens were perfect. Oh not to forget...An $80 weekend green fee is dirt cheap for courses of such calibur. I live more than 80 miles away, but I'm definitely considering playing either of these courses at least once a month. Hats off to two great public courses.

Great course + Great staff = Great Golf

While the new rates keep me from playing this course as often as I used to, I still frequent this course for its practice facility. While many give praise to the course itself (which I agree with), the same could be said about its driving range and practice green. The grass on the driving range is very consistent and level, and you can find grass to hit off of no matter what time of the day you go there. The length of the driving range allows you to swing away without inhibition. The new putting green is in awesome shape. It was well worth the wait to let it mature before opening. It rolls just like the course greens roll, and has the undulations that you find out on the course. However, the fringe and the rough around the green is not the same grass as is out on the course. They are still planning to open the old practice green (adjacent to the range), which will help make wear and tear less severe on each green. I know what many people will say about the practice facility at Angeles National..."It's too far from the parking lot." You can get a ride to and from the range, and if there are enough carts they may let you take one down there. Or you could walk it. Overall, great place to work on your game.

Last time I played here (October 2004) I couldn't say enough horrible things about this course. Played it again today 7/9 and I was surprised to see that some repairs had been made. It seems the new greenskeeper is making a difference for the better. The course is a lot greener, and the sand is in much better condition. The fairways have come a long way, but still need more consistency throughout. The greens are a little slow and need to be rolled, but they are pretty consistent (except #6 that seems to have bent grass planted). Tee boxes need work though. They are pretty beat up and uneven. It was nice to see the lake between 14 and 15 filled in. I still give this course a 6 out of 10, but its better than the 2 would have given it last October. Hopefully I can rate it a lot higher in the near future. I don't have high expectations as it is an American Golf course.

Typical American Golf golf course. Rake in as much money as possible without investing it back into the course. Rather than adding asthetics (i.e. new bridges) try making the fairways grow GREEN without having 10 types of grass on it. Or how about tee boxes with GRASS on it. The dead fish floating in the lakes is a great touch.

@&^% AMERICAN GOLF!!! AS COMIC BOOK GUY ON THE SIMPSONS WOULD SAY, "WORST MANAGING COMPANY EVER." How about promoting golf rather than stuffing pockets?

This course is gorgeous!!! The views made up for my poor play. The tips play pretty tough from this course. Number 16 lives up to its reputation. The only complaint I had about this course was the lack of sand in the bunkers. The time I played you couldn't hit more than 3/4 inch before your club bottomed out onto some hardpan. Other than that, I think this has been one of the most enjoyable courses I've recently played. A definite must play.

5 years ago this was one of the best maintained courses. Now the conditions of play are the worst I have ever seen. Put it this way...the par 3 15th (over the dried up lake) had parts of the green that looked like the dried up lake. It was literally dry and cracked. The fairways played like rough as high as they were cut, and the 8 different types of grass and weed that made up the fairway didn't help either. Just another example of how American Golf concentrates on taking in money, but doesn't invest any of it in course maintenance.

This is a great course in emaculate condition. There can be a drastic difference in how the course plays depending on the cut of the grass and how much they water it. The first time I played it the weather was hot and dry, and the grass cut low. The low cut fairways allowed the ball to roll and roll and roll for miles (made one feel like a pro). The greens were hard enough that a well struck 9 iron barely left a ball mark. The second time I played the course, it had been aerated 3 weeks prior and the grass was cut higher and well watered. Under these conditions, drives took two bounces and stopped, and you could back up a ball on the green with a 5 iron. Under either condition, the course was very enjoyable to play. A great course for all level of players. The course rule of everything being lateral hazards makes for lower scores than what would result if out-of-bounds were in play. Warning: When the marshals tell you to stay out of the environmental areas, listen to them. My friend got a bad case of poison oak looking for a ball.