I would not disagree with the previous two reviewers but I will add that all they said can be summed up as 'winter conditions'. In the course's defense, I will testify that it is generally very dry out there - but there is little they can do now to soften it up unless mother nature does her part as they risk having a rock-hard course should they put a lot of water on it and get any more frosts like they are prone to in inland areas. In fact, I would say they have actually put more water on it over the course of the year than they have for quite some time in my recollection. It's a drought.

Also, 'tis true the greens are nowhere near a 12 but are medium speed for the most part. I would add that the rough is actually tangly, dormant bermuda around the greens so play it like a bunker shot from those thicker lies as it is not what your typical golfer might be used to.

One interesting thing to note (which carries on work begun last year) is the continued clearing of the riparian areas so that most have just some select vegetation left in them (it's academic as you shouldn't be playing out of them anyway). But it does give a different feel cosmetically to some holes, notably the right of 12 fairway all the way to the hole and the right of 13 playing back the other way. Not sure how I feel about it as I am used to waste areas looking straggly and, well, wasted. But it certainly is a new look for those that play here a lot.

Bottom line, we all need some rain in these parts.

Course was about what you would expect for a track that doubles as a parking lot every few weeks at this time of year. Tees mainly level and well-covered although most were up today so we were playing off less-traveled parts. Fairways a grab bag of lies and growths with a fair amount of bare areas from cars coming and going. Sand was probably the best part of the course with plenty of coverage in all the traps. Greens muni-style softness with typical bumps but decent speed once the sun warmed them up. One green (#4) was quite chewed up for some reason (not sure if maybe a car had driven over it). Muddy in spots and quite bumpy.

Overall decent stuff about par or just below for your average muni. Still let five-somes walk which is plain silly but that's how they roll in Pasadena.

Overall course is in fair to good shape. Greens were lightning quick once the sun came out and are almost completely back from aeration. Just the merest trace of the aeration holes is still visible and there are still some bobbles. Would look for them to be stellar in a week or two 9/10.

Every hole has 2 sets of tee boxes that are being over-seeded, so they have combined some tee markers. Most of the re-seeded ones look to be coming in nicely and they should be using them again in a few weeks I would reckon. 8/10 for now (and I think they will then be doing the remainder of them later this fall)

Fairways are turning dormant, are on the thinner side and are fairly hard throughout. Ball runs out a lot but they are less than stellar 6.5/10. Rough is still pretty much non-existent but a bit juicier around a few of the greens. About 6 or 7 fringes were being extensively re-sodded and are marked GUR. 7/10.

Didn't visit sand but they all looked good and fluffy. Just the usual issues with patrons not raking/not fixing ball marks. POP around 5 hours prime time Sunday which is about typical.

Overall I would give it about 7.5

I would generally concur with previous recent reviews. However, I would add/emphasize the following:
1. The fairways are a bit drier than usual but still mainly lush with good lies 2. Rough is juicy and healthy! 3. Tees are well covered with grass but shaggy and need a trim 4. sand is typical for here - not the greatest but quite playable around the greens while firm and a bit rockier in the fairway traps.

The greens, as was already noted, are slowish and perhaps not as true as you might like. Also, about 1/3 of the surfaces had hex plug repairs that were in play and relatively extensive in one or two cases. 14 green (signature hole) also looked kind of ragged and bare throughout. Not sure if they plan aeration but they might need some maintenance soon.

Final point is off topic and I harp on about this every time, but I think this is a stellar track with a great variety of holes and terrific shot values throughout. However, the finish is weak! I think they should build a new cart path from 15 green to 18 tee around the base of that quarried hill and play 18 as 16 - then do 17 as it currently stands - then back on the same new path to 16 tee and play it as the 18th instead. It makes for a much better and more appropriate closing hole. Just my 2 cents.

So my rule of thumb for RR is to add one to the stimp # they give you at the starters hut. Today was no exception - they said it was 10.8 but it was probably close to 12. Hard to believe these things were aerated only 4 weeks ago as they are pretty close to immaculate and lightning quick at times. Downhill putts were crazy quick and everything else just kept on motoring. Tough to adjust to but a real treat compared to most of the surfaces we play on. Easily a 9.5.

Rest of the course is in good condition - tees are recovering from aeration and were a bit sandy but fine 7.5. Fairways exhibited the usual dry look they always have here with a kind of grayish hue but they were actually quite full and well watered 8.0. Rough is juicy in spots and is deep enough to let you know you shouldn't be here - 8.5. Sand was a tad thin in a few traps but generally good and well conditioned 8.5.

Dispiriting that there were numerous fresh unrepaired ballmarks on the greens when they are this nice but thats just how things are. Go putt these things and feel like you are on tour.

Squeezed in a birthday treat round here wed am as this place is on the way to work and I was playing half-day hookie. They run a 60 buck special wed w cart and I would say that is acceptable for how the course is. Greens are the highlight although they show signs of a light top dressing in the last few weeks and ran a tad slow. But good grass coverage and minimal ballmark damage and mainly smooth 8.5.

Rest of the course is dry as per usual. Fairways are mainly thin and mostly yellow with hard pan underneath. Sure you get plenty of run out but that's not necessarily a good thing on this type of course 6.5

Rough is pretty much non existent even around the greens where a few holes showed signs of maintenance and some fringes were also punched. Just dry and thin and hard - not easy to chip from if you didn't nip it. 7.0.

Tees fine and level 9.5. Sand good and fluffy 9.5. Customer service fine. Was probably about a 4.5 round although I had to quit at 16.

Main thing, in my opinion, were some changes that appear to be water (economic) related. Most every hole (some extensively) have mulching/wood chip areas along the sides of the fairway. Makes you feel that you are golfing thru a landscaped garden at times. The scorecard even makes mention of this and informs the golfer that mulched areas are a free drop no closer to hole. I don't recall if these areas were natural habitat or just rough before, but it's not like any other feature I've seen on a golf course. I think they are going for classic 'pine straw' areas but it doesn't really work IMO. I suspect it's a water conservation issue that cuts down on maintainable real estate and water-needy areas.

Worth it for the Wednesday discount rate

Course is nice and green considering the time of year and has been greening up progressively throughout the summer. They've been working a lot on cosmetic issues (GUR and native areas being cleared out) and so the course is looking good! Also, the new outlines for the rough are starting to grow in so the fairways are better defined and a tad more penal if you miss them.
Sure, the new carts drive like a prototype google car by controlling speed in places but if that's what your worried about then you've obviously got too much time on your hands. Let's talk about golfing conditions.

Specifics: Tee boxes all good and level and the ones they were working on are all re-opened except for one forward tee on 5. 9/10. The fairways are pretty lush for the time of year and give generally favorable lies with the occasional dry spot or harder pan here or there 8.5/10. Rough is starting to grow in for the new areas marked for growth throughout. Generally still very playable throughout but juicier in spots around the greens. 8.5/10. Sand is generally very fluffy and the few bunkers on 6 that were being repaired are re-opened. Crusty spots in some bunkers from irrigation but good throughout I felt 9.5/10. Greens are faster than the last few times I played here which is nice but still a few bobbles. Also, #13 showed some evidence of needle punching but no big deal! 8/10.

All in all they have been working hard on conditioning all aspects of the course and it is certainly starting to show! Good work EG!

Haven't played here in a long time and overall conditions are better than they used to be but still needs TLC (although it is clear they have put some money into the place). For the good: tee box on 1 has been leveled so you are not hitting your first shot of the day with your right foot at the same height as your left knee, so that is helpful. Also, they leveled and resurfaced the two most chronically settled greens on the front nine which were #7 & 9. So those are now actually playable again! Looked like #7 tee had been re-done sometime too.

Fairways were a bit thin and burnt in spots but they were very wet in the morning so you can tell they are trying to maintain them - they are way better than they used to be (but it's not a big deal either way as only a few holes have fairways you might use). About 60% of the tees need to be leveled. The greens were slower than molasses and bumpy/soft but with nice grass coverage - looks like they had been double-verticut recently too. Sand was actually very nice and fluffy/deep for a muni.

The bad: the main problem here is not with the course (you get what you pay for) - but with your fellow golfers. The place seems to attract the worst of all worlds - clueless hackers. A brief summary of what to expect although I am sure you all know the drill. Holding play up by hitting off someone else's fairway while the group on that hole is waiting for you. Slow groups who fall several holes behind and don't give a d___ (same people who do 50 in the fast lane and see nothing but clear skies ahead while the rest of humanity piles up behind them I suspect). Means that you take 4+ hours to play a 3000 yard muni executive course. Fresh pitch-marks galore on each and every green. I gave up after fixing about 6-7 per hole.

If it's quiet it's a nice wee place to hit different sorts of shots - if it's busy then it can be frustrating to witness the shenanigans going on. Kudos to the management for sinking some money back into the place.

Played from the tips and it ate my lunch (and quite a few golf balls too). Most aspects of the course are in good to very good condition.

Highlight are the greens which are firm-ish so you need a well struck shot for them to hold. There's a bit of poa growth but they run smooth and pretty fast. Only thing marring them is unrepaired ball marks here and there - 8.5/10. Tees and sand good. Most fairways are nice and lush with good lies - a few are a tad thinner and there's occasional browner spots but still a solid 8/10. Rough is as green and lush as I've see it here in a while. Still, I'd like to see it thicker surrounding the fairways so the mounding does its job of repelling the ball back into play.

I think the key here is driving accuracy and position off the tee. It's real tight visually and in actuality - in addition on some holes (5, 6, 8, 15, 17) you have to be in the right spot to be able to attack certain pins. Also, if you are not straight then it's likely going to be a long day.

FYI they close the range at 3 pm Mondays so get there a bit early if you have a later tee-time on Mondays.

Considering the greens were punched a little over 3 weeks ago, these are in fantastic shape! Better than most public courses I play with no sign at all of punch holes. From hole 8 on I noticed some sign of verti-cutting on the greens and fringes so they were perhaps a bit more bobbly but all in all very smooth and quickish (even though the pro shop said 10 - I would rate them medium-fast on the stimp at least 11.5) I think in a week or two these will be back to truly stellar condition and should be a treat to play.

Rest of the course is in good condition. Fairways are typically a bit thinner and drier here and showed signs of aeration but these, the rough, tees and fringes were all good. Sand excellent.

POP was a snappy 4 hours on Sunday morn prime time so they really keep it moving along - hard to beat for 48 bucks walking. All in all, one of the best kept and best run public courses anywhere IMO.

Course is in fair condition and they are working on it so that is encouraging. Most tee boxes have been worked on (either re-sodded or completely re-done) or are being done at present (4,5,10 - so you play from the forward tees on each). A few of the 3-pars are still using older tees and they are lumpier. Otherwise full grass coverage and generally level 9/10. Bunkers I did not visit but they looked to have plenty of sand with some small pebbles 9/10. Greens are almost there - they have good speed and grass coverage but a bit bouncy in places 7.5/10. Rough and fairways are where most issues exist. Rough is spotty to non-existent generally, while juicier in spots around some greens. They have re-marked the new boundaries where they want to grow the rough and re-shape the contours of the fairways, but there is little to no growth in most of those parts. Plus there are a number of rough/bare spots and marked GURS 5/10. Relatedly, the fairways are thinner and appear somewhat compacted more so on the front nine. They were lusher with fuller lies on the back. Again, occasional GUR and spotty growths even though they aerated some of them. I would welcome some better conditioning although they are still quite playable. 6/10 - course needs some TLC in this area to be back at typical level.

POP was usual disaster on front nine for Sunday AM opening up on the back for an on-time round.

Course appears to be greening up compared to previous reviews but the fairways are still a bit thin in spots and on the firmer side. Rough is generally non existent and thin and like the fairways there a couple of different growths in it. Tees were generally lush but I played from the tips and back there there were a few uneven and lumpy tees. Sand was usually the nice marbleized stuff but it looked like it had not been conditioned in some time so it was fairly compacted but with good soft coverage underneath. One trap, however, was thin and more claylike.

Greens were very nice - lush bentgrass with some grain in them and medium fast speed. Very true. Definitely the highlight although greens 13 & 14 both had visible small tine holes in them - no sand - although it did not affect my putts.

Layout is exceptional playing through an oak-studded valley on the front nine, while the back has more undulation and elevation change. Fairways are usually generous but with large bunkers. Plenty of roll out so course played shorter then the stated yardage. Greens are large and undulating with distinct sections. Most of them you do not have to fire at the pin as you can direct the ball to the flag with some course knowledge about the putting surfaces. They are well guarded, however, usually by large traps on one side and tightly shaved grass bunkers on the other. Finding these tended to result in a tough up and down as you were frequently short sided and chipping from a tight lie making it hard to get the ball up in the air quickly. Seems like short is often a good miss.

As to my previous point about course knowledge on how to approach the greens, overall course knowledge here is an absolute plus. Without GPS in the carts or a visual of the layout on some holes, it is hard to know where the hole goes, especially on the back nine. On more than one occasion I hit for a dogleg that turned out to be going the opposite direction.

However, all in all one of the nicest courses in SoCal and for the discount rate you pay about the right amount right now for the conditions.